Cowes round the island race

[scottyboy]

So gav are you doin it?

[Gav]

Originally posted by scottyboy
So gav are you doin it?

i think so! need a navigator!!!

[HIM]

Seems Boatmad have more boats ready to race than anyone else!!!

The idea of a Boatmad Trophy is v good.

How could it work for power/weight or power / length
or some such way of getting us all to race together.

I need to contact Ben Mazur...lost his number....got some news!!!!!

[JamesM]

Originally posted by HIM
Seems Boatmad have more boats ready to race than anyone else!!!

The idea of a Boatmad Trophy is v good.

How could it work

Can we have weapons?

[Captain Chaos]

its The BM challenge not The 'BA' challenge,

there will be no stripping 'my van' and firing cabbages at the badguys in the race........... crazy fool!

[BluFin]

Originally posted by HIM
How could it work for power/weight or power / length
or some such way of getting us all to race together.

Bring back Index Of Performance
Used to be that way for OH winner years ago rather than first past the post.

For those that dont know it each boat is given a target speed the boat closest to that speed wins.
IE TD would have say 85 MPH
Me in the rib 30 MPH
TD averages 84.5 MPH there by index of Performance is 99.41%
I managed 31 MPH in The ducky So IOP would be 103.3%

Its a great wayto even out performance, then for the next event you use the winning speed of the previous for each type of boat

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by BluFin
Bring back Index Of Performance
Used to be that way for OH winner years ago rather than first past the post.

For those that dont know it each boat is given a target speed the boat closest to that speed wins.
IE TD would have say 85 MPH
Me in the rib 30 MPH
TD averages 84.5 MPH there by index of Performance is 99.41%
I managed 31 MPH in The ducky So IOP would be 103.3%

Its a great wayto even out performance, then for the next event you use the winning speed of the previous for each type of boat

Sounds alright for drag racing!

how would it work when the conditions differ, and those conditions affect different boats in different ways?

I say, a set of rules,...and first over the line, is the winner.

Every time there's some sort of handycapping system, it favours the weak, and stifles the 'bettering the breed' mentality.

We saw it, with all the 'also rans' getting podium places. Not coz they were 3rd, 2nd, or best, but because after a few rounds, the handycapping system gave those 'also rans' an equal chance of success, as the guys who were brilliant drivers, brilliant preppers, and brilliant navigators.....not fair!

It seemed to me, you were rewarded for being shite, and punished for being good.

Just MHO

[Matt]

Totally agree. Racing is racing - equipment choice, rigging, navigation, driver ability, and a bit of luck. If you have the best kit and are the best driver, why be penalised for it. That's a race to let the losers win! If you wanna "do the rounds" for a bit of fun, do a poker run, or a treasure hunt, or run it as a specific "estimate your speed" event.

[Rupert Munro]

Originally posted by HIM

I need to contact Ben Mazur...lost his number....got some news!!!!!

Will try and get it for you asap

[Rupert Munro]

Alan, you have a PM

[scottyboy]

Originally posted by Matt
Totally agree. Racing is racing - equipment choice, rigging, navigation, driver ability, and a bit of luck. If you have the best kit and are the best driver, why be penalised for it. That's a race to let the losers win! If you wanna "do the rounds" for a bit of fun, do a poker run, or a treasure hunt, or run it as a specific "estimate your speed" event.

Exactly why i think they should get rid of the 70 percent rule in the national races!

[Jon Fuller]

And 'start points', I don't get that one at all!!?
All seems geared for the losers not to lose interest, but instead, the winners lose interest.

[scottyboy]

Originally posted by Jon Fuller
And 'start points', I don't get that one at all!!?
All seems geared for the losers not to lose interest, but instead, the winners lose interest.

For me this year ive tryed my hardest to concentrate on keeping my boat reliable because i thought that i wasnt going to be competitive against the likes of pete little,bob irwin,CB1 etc etc! I never knew about this 70 percent rule which is kinda annoying!

[BluFin]

Originally posted by Matt
Racing is racing - equipment choice, rigging, navigation, driver ability, and a bit of luck. If you have the best kit and are the best driver

So that person would have the highest Index rating then

Dont think the concept is understood so what your are saying guys is fek the bloke thats busted his arse for the last 2 weeks working all hours in his smaller less expensive not quite top of the range kit, you dont deserve to win shite.... Peachy

set the speeds from the fastest race of the season the previous year.

[Jon Fuller]

Everyone has to pick a class they can afford.
An observation I've always made, is that if 99% of competitors, took a step down one class, they could probably afford to do it properly, instead of bustin a gut, on a shoestring and ending up an 'also-ran'.
I'm not saying people shouldn't 'aspire' to greater things, of course they should, that's what makes the world go round, just need to keep in touch with reality.

We also have to accept, that some people, whilst wanting to be successful in racing, never will, even with big budgets. Not every one can be a winner.

You can't write the rules so that everyone who's attempting, in vain, to race succesfully in a given class, coz it's beyond their means, can win summat. that's crazy.

If that means sticking at basic racing, great, it's still racing.

And 1.3 should still be there for people who realise these points are valid, and choose the most cost effective class to start in if they want to be part of a national, or international fleet.

[BluFin]

Dare I possibly suggest dropping 2 classes....................
used to be real hard racing in the smaller classes & we have cracked out a few world champs. excellent Class IIIB dunno why it tailed of

[roofer]

The handicap system sucks, we used this system at barrow, everybody does a timed lap and its multiplyed by the number of laps.
Trouble is if you race you bust your time and come last, the winner is usually the one who plods round the course keeping to their time.

Not what I would call racing !

[BluFin]

Handicap racing does indeed make things difficult.

As I said don’t think people are grasping the theory, the highest index is the winner not handicapping. You can exceed the index to be more than 100%
Current records listed by UIM
IIIB 83.16
IIIC 98.70
IIID 98.11 (interesting slower than 2 ltr)
Class II 137
So using numbers lets say a boat finishes in each class with the following average speed.
IIIB=58MPH 58/83.16*100=69.74%
IIIC=75MPH 75/98.70*100=75.98%
IIID= 82 MPH 82/98.11*100=83.57%
II= 97MPH 97/137*100=70.80%
The Relative performance for each class is easily seen & calculated.

Or for really fast boats on calm days, say race speeds of the following were recorded
B= 90.00 MPH 90/83.16*100=107.65%
C= 99.47 MPH 99.47/98.70*100=100.78%
D=103.00 MPH 103/98.11*100=104.98%
II=142 MPH 142/137*100=103.64%
Boats can exceed the 100%.

Don’t give a shite what system is used just noting its a good way to recognise a great performance by anybody, really shows how hard somebody is trying rather than a cruising first past the post coz they have a big lead.

Edit:
I’d suggest it as a separate trophy / position to acknowledge a good race performance first past the post could still win overall.

[Adam]

Looks like there is no Round The Island race this year - judging by an e-mail I have just had re. safty cover.

It looks like they may have replaced it with a race running in the Solent on the Sunday.

Hopefully will hear something official very soon!

[HIM]

I am afraid that is most likely true!!!!!