CTC...pipped to the post by P1

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by ciao!

Now "money talks", (thread above from Jim O' Toole.)

Surely this is the point ?

Yes, I agree it's naughty, but if Mike found a sponsor tomorrow, offering £1Mil, but the race had to be run from July 2nd instead of June 21st, do you think he would refuse it point blank?

I do agree with you, but unfortunately, money does talk, ,,rather loudly.

[ciao!]

So what are we left with?

An underfunded Round Britain Race.

A P1 series that is based in the UK, but can't afford to race here.

(Post went up same time as JF)

[Jon Fuller]

It's certainly not ideal, as I say, I agree with you, but realistically, P1 are gonna follow the dosh, as would most classes/organisers.

But remember, we are talking as if we've lost four definite P1 entries from the RB, but are those 4 boats among the list of people who've 'actualy' paid the 50% fee? If not, they were'nt realy proper entries yet anyway.

I believe there are still new entries coming on board, so hopefully the places will be filled. Lets not dwell on those who have 'bailed'.

[ciao!]

Wise words!

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by ciao!

Wise words!

Sounds like a Fiona P pep talk!

Do those two sentences belong together!

[ciao!]

I edited my post!

[Rupert Munro]

Originally Posted by ciao!

I edited my post!

not quickly enough

[Johnny Rocket]

Originally Posted by TimB-C

Damned poor show if you ask me.
O'Toole's reputation as a gentleman is shot to bits, by going back on his word and handshake not to put on any P1 event during the RB 08. Means not just 4 boats out bt a loss financially of more than 40000.
As much as I want the CTC to be back on O'Toole should be black balled from Cowes.
Count your fingers if you shake his hand

Sure, in an ideal world there wouldn't be a clash between P1 and RB, but I doubt whether the race programme has ended up this way in a deliberate attempt to screw anything up. Shit happens.

Could it reasonably have been avoided? Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. Seems likely that they wouldn't schedule this clash without a serious look at the alternatives.

I think that Jim should get some major credit for coming on here and openly stating his case, and doesn't deserve such a hostile response. By all means challenge him if you think he's wrong, but if you want to get feedback and answers then FFS don't launch this sort of attack on organisers who actually bother to answer questions, or we're straight back to the normal state of affairs where nothing gets discussed publically.

Welcome to BoatMad Jim!

[Jim O'Toole]

thanks johnny

I'm keen for P1 to have an open honest dialogue with the uk powerboat community and will always give an honest reply to any questions,,,,

our new management team will take decisions . may not please everyone all of the time, but we'll be clear about what were doing and why we're doing it
'

look forward to more dialogue and to further discussion s[pecifically about who'd like to race ctc



Jim

[Jon Fuller]

Right then.

Jim, how is the CTC intended to run. ie, will it be managed on site by the P1 team, or will it be a BPRC affair, branded as P1, or am I wrong on both counts?

And if it is to be a BPRC run event, how much 'say' will P1 have as far as entry fees, class rules etc?

[hunton69]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rocket

Sure, in an ideal world there wouldn't be a clash between P1 and RB, but I doubt whether the race programme has ended up this way in a deliberate attempt to screw anything up. Shit happens.

Could it reasonably have been avoided? Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. Seems likely that they wouldn't schedule this clash without a serious look at the alternatives.

I think that Jim should get some major credit for coming on here and openly stating his case, and doesn't deserve such a hostile response. By all means challenge him if you think he's wrong, but if you want to get feedback and answers from organisers FFS don't launch this sort of attack on organisers who actually bother to answer questions, or we're straight back to the normal state of affairs where nothing gets discussed publically.

Welcome to BoatMad Jim! [/QUOTE

]

Well put.

[Mike Lloyd]

The RB08 team haven’t been happy about this situation. The thought of possibly losing four good boats possible five by what I read here at this stage is extremely frustrating. I think everyone appreciated Jim O’Toole coming on this Forum and stating his case. However it would have been even more appreciated if Jim had actually discussed the matter with us in the first instance and not for us to have to find it out and have it confirmed over the web second-hand. Unfortunately I could not get to the P1 launch. I was sewing up the fuel supply for the RB08 in Birmingham instead.

We can only hope that Jim will be able to move the P1 race date in North Africa as he has suggested and if he is able to do so then we will be truly grateful.

As JF said, money talks, we don’t have much and P1 does. However, because of the huge enthusiasm and the personal and financial commitment of the existing RB08 entrants nothing can now stop this great race from running, despite all the “yeah but’s” out there.

What the RB08 team is trying to achieve is, in a way similar to P1, although of course we are not in their league and we do not pretend that we are. We are however putting on eight offshore races as they do but we are doing it over ten days in eight different locations. They take six months. P1 have a large company doing all of that, we just have a small group of volunteers (unpaid) who are doing all this for fun and I for one take my hat off to every single one of them for making that commitment.
ML.

[hunton69]

Looking at the dates and locations for P1 it appears that 3 races are very close together around the med. Therefore its almoat impossible for those boats to make it back for RB. However some of theses teams may have the facility of 2 boats and as RB is very much a team event the top drivers only need to miss the first 2 days of racing. They could use reserve drivers . May give us less experienced teams a head start. Just a thought....

[verytricky]

Attacking the people who post here directly and with the agression we do, results in them moving on. We have definately lost any viewpoint from the RYA from their top officials, and this has occurred with others before, so keep up the good work, and return to the bliss of ignorance and inuendo with no factual information!

[Tony Davis]

Originally Posted by verytricky

Attacking the people who ........

You're a right one to complain... Pot, kettle ?

[Tony Davis]

Originally Posted by verytricky

. We have definately lost any viewpoint from the RYA from their top officials,

Who is that then? At least we still have Fiona!!!

[verytricky]

Originally Posted by Tony Davis

You're a right one to complain... Pot, kettle ?

Low life scum who should be in Jail dont count do they, especially when they dont have the balls to write their own script. And that can count for more than one person ( the not having the balls to get on the forum themselves part, not the jail part. )

Originally Posted by Tony Davis

Who is that then? At least we still have Fiona!!!

OK, Nobody who knows what they are talking about then!

[Johnny Rocket]

Originally Posted by OldMan

I was sewing up the fuel supply for the RB08 in Birmingham instead.

Blimey. The canal sections should be interesting!

[cfun]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rocket

Sure, in an ideal world there wouldn't be a clash between P1 and RB, but I doubt whether the race programme has ended up this way in a deliberate attempt to screw anything up. Shit happens.

Could it reasonably have been avoided? Maybe, maybe not, I don't know. Seems likely that they wouldn't schedule this clash without a serious look at the alternatives.

I think that Jim should get some major credit for coming on here and openly stating his case, and doesn't deserve such a hostile response. By all means challenge him if you think he's wrong, but if you want to get feedback and answers then FFS don't launch this sort of attack on organisers who actually bother to answer questions, or we're straight back to the normal state of affairs where nothing gets discussed publically.

Welcome to BoatMad Jim!

My sentiments exactly Rubber socket well said

[ciao!]

I also agree with that post.

However June 21st 2008 has been the date for the start of the RB08 for over a year now.

P1 said they would not clash with the RB08 dates.

If they want to be short term and pick up the "fast buck" from Tunisia, then fine.

But where will the new racers come from to enter their series?

I think the P1 series is fantastic, but they must understand, if you brake every rung on the ladder on the way up, it's a long fall down.