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Old 12-10-2005, 08:30 AM   #1
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This should get a reaction from Cookee! Does anyone know whether the results for this seasons F200 championship have been sorted out. It is only two months since we completed the last race but it would be nice if the results were published!
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Re: F200 Results

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This should get a reaction from Cookee! Does anyone know whether the results for this seasons F200 championship have been sorted out. It is only two months since we completed the last race but it would be nice if the results were published!
I have asked both the RIB representitive as well as the Class III one and it seems that no-one (further up) is that bothered - the chairman of the club was going to Dubai and "would sort it out" last I heard .....................
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Latest email from officialdom .................. "I think this series is dead and that RIBs should plan their own season for 2006"
Its good to know that he normal F200 communications are working - first I've been told.

So how is RIB racing looking - heard something abound combining with Dutch and Belgian racing?
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I wanna race the V24 against Cookee!

If it is rough, we'll leave them behind. If its smooth, they'll whip us.

The idea is a good one.

And there will be more than 4 boats per race!
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cookee,it would appear that only orda is prepared to organise national races.we have a good selection of venues on the table.i personally would like a rep from biboa to contact us to see if whats proposed would suit us all. as for f200 ,the idea is great but the management crap.so i think orda should take it over.as for our own committee ,if your not going to put yourselfs out then resign and let people with some get up and go do the job.
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as for our own committee ,if your not going to put yourselfs out then resign and let people with some get up and go do the job.
Wheeeeeeeeeeehaaa...
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This all seems to me to be a very sad state of affairs.

It is all very well blaming committee members, but the truth is they are not paid to do the job, and whilst in the job the organisers see many racers make a “big noise” over organisation, venues, pit locations, launching etc. and then subsequently disappear from the sport due to their own financial problems.

To make any series work you need “The Man”.
F1 got Bernie (although he did look very closely at Offshore in the early 80’s – wise choice not too!!)
Cowes had Tim Powell.
ORDA had Rob and Annie.

Pay someone 60k per year, plus office rent, communication costs and an entertaining budget for potential sponsors and you might start to have the semblance of a good series.
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I'll pay someone 60k per year, plus office rent, communication costs and an entertaining budget for potential sponsors
That's exceptionally generous of you. When do I start?
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Its good to know that he normal F200 communications are working - first I've been told.

So how is RIB racing looking - heard something abound combining with Dutch and Belgian racing?
All you've got to do is ask - I asked everyone and got one answer - thats all!

As far as combing is concerned that would be difficult with the total lack of regulation in Europe - probably why it's so popular! Turn up with a boat that is safe to race - crash helmets and an anchor and off you go!

It seems the may be one or two possible races with the Europeans .....................

Belgium went very well, 43 boats racing in three classes. Much to talk about for 2006 but I believe that we can combine in at least two events abroad for next year and possibly include at least one National Race in this series. The Belgium’s are also keen to come to UK, probably Ramsgate but we will have to consider the rules to allow them to race.

But I think as usual we will largely be racing with the National fleet - not sure about racing against Tricky though!

The F200 idea actually worked ok as far as the racing is concerned - it's just that as soon as the membership fees were collected it was just talk - if it had a reincarnation with someone else it might be able to be rescued?

Ciao - I'm right behind you on that one - there are quite a few issues to overcome with "control" first, but if that and the budget could be found it would be the answer I think!

Tricky - Maybe I'll see you out in a V24 next year?
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Old 14-10-2005, 01:13 PM   #12
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Cookee,

It would be very excelllent to race you next year!
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ciao,you have missed the point i was trying to make. orda as a club are more than capable to make the whole series work.i am on this committee and i dont want a penny for my effort,i would just like the rest of committee to put in as much effort.as for tricky wanting to race against cookee dont you think you have done enough damage to v24 by stirring things up.
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ciao,you have missed the point i was trying to make. orda as a club are more than capable to make the whole series work.i am on this committee and i dont want a penny for my effort,i would just like the rest of committee to put in as much effort.
I think not, I said you need “the man”. An autocrat, not a committee fighting amongst themselves.
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as for tricky wanting to race against cookee dont you think you have done enough damage to v24 by stirring things up.
Rhino, you have missed the whole point.


( actually I dont understand how my wanting to race against Cookee stirs things up and damages V24?)

Most people want to race their boats, and not get involved in the crap and politics surrounding each event.

To do so they need to know without doubt that they will have a place to park their boat, that they will be able to launch their boat, and that the race will occur. Once the race is underway most people want to ensure that the rules under which they race will be respected by all competitors, and that they can have a fair race.

Moast people racing do so as a hobby. Their disposable income goes towards their boat and racing, not their companies advertising budget.

Most people dont want to be ripped off, or feel that they are being ripped off.

Most people do not think that we have this.

This season 2005 I tried to get V24 boats into racing. At the end of last season there were TWO boats who were definatel going to run in the series. At the end we managed to get five boats. ( not that it mattered with the Cowes cockup )

Clubs - such as yours - did not help either, with threats to cancell the races if a guaranteed number of entrants were not provided. The knock on effect was the sale of three of the boats to Sweden ( where the clubs there ran an entire race series for four boats - without any complaints! ) Additionally FOUR other boat owners did not apply for National Licences as the 'payback' for buying the Licence at the begining of the year was that only Ramsgate promiced a race no matter how many boats entered.

The costs of gearing up for a season is high. Without a number of races guaranteed the amortisation of these costs over several races makes the cost of each race too high to be worthwhile.

Last year I only managed to complete THREE national races. Only FOUR races actually existed in any way to allow points to be given. This is a complete waste of money spent gearing up for the year. Those people who decided not to buy National Licences for V24 2005 season were correct.

If there are not enough boats to make a proper race ( ie more than 8 boats ) - why not join together the similarly classed boats, like cookee and myself. Our boats ability to beat the other would be sea state dependant. If should be interesting over a season to see what happens, and there would be at least 8 boats in the race.

Oh, and if you do decide to join up the races, you can charge us all the same entrance fee. The premium on the V24's is not really required is it? The RYA have said ( and I have it in writing ) that the clubs set the entrance fees, *not* the RYA, so you have the choice to charge us the same fee, and not charge extra for the V24's.


Things are actually very very simple.

The RYA needs to produce a race calender, a rule book and provide this *BEFORE* the 2006 year starts. This will allow people to plan to participate in the racing season.

The clubs need to decide if they are going to offer the race *before* 2006 starts, so the compeditors can decide if it worth the expence to gear up for the season.

Once the season is underway, it has to be kept fair.

Not a lot to ask IMO.


Threats and bully boy tactics do not work. Most racers are grown up men, who have a bit of spare money. Treating them like naughty boys who you can threaten and rip off financially will result in them simply leaving the sport.

There is a reason why powerboat racing is dead in the UK. And it is *not* because I object to things that I consider to be wrong or unfair!
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ciao,you have missed the point i was trying to make. orda as a club are more than capable to make the whole series work.i am on this committee and i dont want a penny for my effort,i would just like the rest of committee to put in as much effort.as for tricky wanting to race against cookee dont you think you have done enough damage to v24 by stirring things up.
For the record I agree with both Ciao and Rhino - ORDA and Rhino are what is needed to get the sport off its knees and make it work again, having said that if there were a Bernie Eclestone around with a real budget,that would in my opinion do the sport even more good - however the chances of that happening anytime soon is extremely unlikely, so I will offer what little help I can in the direction of ORDA in the hope that Formula 200 can be resurected and not allowed to die.

Trickie - I'm not sure we would be compatible in a race - however if I was in a V24 ...................
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cookee in a V24

How could you race *without* your waterwings?


V24 boats are quite cheap at the moment. You can pick one of three for around £27k

A huge discount on their worth IMO...
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tricky. i do not see where you get your information from regarding a race calander. the rya do not,i repeat do not ,organise races.it is only clubs like orda that put in the time and effort to get anything going.even your club v24 or even ribs did not organise one venue last season.so if it is as easy as you all think why dont your clubs organise one and we will come and moan and whinge like you lot do.
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tricky. i do not see where you get your information from regarding a race calander. the rya do not,i repeat do not ,organise races.it is only clubs like orda that put in the time and effort to get anything going.even your club v24 or even ribs did not organise one venue last season.so if it is as easy as you all think why dont your clubs organise one and we will come and moan and whinge like you lot do.
Try organising 8 events in 7 locations around the UK for upto 40 competitors without a buget, it's very tough.
Zap/thundercats, honda have that luxury but we still just about do it in KClass. I know the numbers may not be the same but the logistics, paperwork etc is.

Clubs who take the time to put on events need all the support from the racers they can get so I think it's about time they all pulled together again and show the sport what can be done...
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