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Old 31-01-2010, 09:20 AM   #1
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Four Nations Offshore Gets Vote of Thanks from Honda Teams

Four Nations, the teams association formed to continue the Honda series for Honda team owners, presented to a majority of active Honda teams in Chasewater yesterday. A good many teams arrived from all over the UK for a meeting to understand the options available for 2010 and beyond. The top table consisted of Rory Power, Debra France, Class 1's Chris parsonage and The Four Nations leader, Tony Crossley. All teams present voted unanimously to support the Four Nations management and decisions were made in full support of teams present to carry forward their plans to be announced soon.

This is a hugely positive outcome for all Honda teams and I would urge that anyone who was not attending to offer their support as this group has serious stength, knowledge, commitment and also have a desire to work with others in the sport who share a common interest in the desire to race.

Congratulations to the top table for in a very short space of time they have gathered a list of events, infrastructure and a real ability to unite Honda teams whilst retaining a desire to work for the good of the sport.

Four Nations have now a mandate from a large number of teams to formalise their plans (with the RYA etc) and for anyone out there reading this and who knows someone with Honda boat...tell them to get in touch with any of the above for there is a very solid succession plan in place and space/equipment available for new team members to join.

I'm excited about it and that has to be good coming from someone who has been so bloody miserable lately eh?

GREAT NEWS FOUR NATIONS! WELL DONE!! and to all you HONDA BOAT OWNERS OUT THERE

The GOOD DAYS ARE BACK!!
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What motors are likely to be run on the back of them in the 4 Nations series then?

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What motors are likely to be run on the back of them in the 4 Nations series then?

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Honda 150 and 225 as existing. There has been a huge investment into these boats and engines and not many people in this climate can afford to change them this year. But there is an intention to revise this and offer a group purchase arrangement beyond 2010 and Four Nations will actively search and offer good buying power for any suppliers who may be interested out there of course.

The idea is to make racing enjoyable and affordable and marketable as this was the original ethos. As the series will continue to be One Design it makes for close racing.

Also remember these guys and gals bought into a Honda ethos and many are still very loyal to Honda for the support of previous years. People there yesterday raced in 130s at the beginning and Four Nations are being sensible as they want to focus on encouraging teams back (like us) who sat out last year.

Events are only possible with motivated teams and Four Nations have embraced that ethos and have it in bag fulls. The leaders are well respected and highly experienced. Hope this makes sense as it does for me as an owner...
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uuuum Honda i would say ,

Well done 4 nations for what has been acheived in such short period off time , will make a few honda boat owners happy today when they wake up and read ur post ,hope this achievement continues and the racing starts for u guys , to many honda boats out there to be waisted .

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Thats good news, looks like the black clouds been lifted, Rich were's gav going to keep his chickens now that you will be getting your boat ready to race! all the best for 2010 as I no that a lot of work has been gone into this after talking to Tony at Exmouth.
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Thats good news, looks like the black clouds been lifted, Rich were's gav going to keep his chickens now that you will be getting your boat ready to race! all the best for 2010 as I no that a lot of work has been gone into this after talking to Tony at Exmouth.
More like his bloody bangers mate...did you hear I bent over to wrap some blankets around the leg and the git set off a huge banger close to me.....?
Parsonage Jnr is due for a little pay back...
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Honda 150 and 225 as existing. There has been a huge investment into these boats and engines and not many people in this climate can afford to change them this year. But there is an intention to revise this and offer a group purchase arrangement beyond 2010 and Four Nations will actively search and offer good buying power for any suppliers who may be interested out there of course.

The idea is to make racing enjoyable and affordable and marketable as this was the original ethos. As the series will continue to be One Design it makes for close racing.

Also remember these guys and gals bought into a Honda ethos and many are still very loyal to Honda for the support of previous years. People there yesterday raced in 130s at the beginning and Four Nations are being sensible as they want to focus on encouraging teams back (like us) who sat out last year.

Events are only possible with motivated teams and Four Nations have embraced that ethos and have it in bag fulls. The leaders are well respected and highly experienced. Hope this makes sense as it does for me as an owner...
Cool, thought that may be the case. Just a bit confusing as they seem to be referred to as 'the hondas' regardless of what's on the back! Sounds like the organisers have got their heads screwed on.
One thing i thought of... Aren't the boats made by cougar? Would this not present an issue with Steve Curtis' involvment with the other half of the honda (now mercury) racing? I may be totally wrong though, i don't know much about all this honda stuff!

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Four Nations, the teams association formed to continue the Honda series for Honda team owners, presented to a majority of active Honda teams in Chasewater yesterday. A good many teams arrived from all over the UK for a meeting to understand the options available for 2010 and beyond. The top table consisted of Rory Power, Debra France, Class 1's Chris parsonage and The Four Nations leader, Tony Crossley. All teams present voted unanimously to support the Four Nations management and decisions were made in full support of teams present to carry forward their plans to be announced soon.

This is a hugely positive outcome for all Honda teams and I would urge that anyone who was not attending to offer their support as this group has serious stength, knowledge, commitment and also have a desire to work with others in the sport who share a common interest in the desire to race.

Congratulations to the top table for in a very short space of time they have gathered a list of events, infrastructure and a real ability to unite Honda teams whilst retaining a desire to work for the good of the sport.

Four Nations have now a mandate from a large number of teams to formalise their plans (with the RYA etc) and for anyone out there reading this and who knows someone with Honda boat...tell them to get in touch with any of the above for there is a very solid succession plan in place and space/equipment available for new team members to join.

I'm excited about it and that has to be good coming from someone who has been so bloody miserable lately eh?

GREAT NEWS FOUR NATIONS! WELL DONE!! and to all you HONDA BOAT OWNERS OUT THERE

The GOOD DAYS ARE BACK!!
Is it true that a certain Mr Power contacted 'Asif' to make it known he is not 'in charge' of four nations, but is there ONLY as an advisor?

The Four Nations website - and this very thread - seems to indicate he is one of the Four Nations 'leaders'...

Commitment can be a fickle thing....
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Is it true that a certain Mr Power contacted 'Asif' to make it known he is not 'in charge' of four nations, but is there ONLY as an advisor?

The Four Nations website - and this very thread - seems to indicate he is one of the Four Nations 'leaders'...

Commitment can be a fickle thing....
Ah... just like racing Superstock in Europe eh?
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I missed the continuation and subsequent removal of the other thread. I feel responsible for sparking it off and so apologise to Boatmad.com for catalysing the issue. I also would apologise for comments I made about the lady (ROOPI) at P1 who did not deserve such comments and hope she did not suffer distress. It was out of order.

I have taken a little time to make this apology but I also feel people out there should see the e-mail I was sent (not sure about the GOSS bit as I still own the bit that survived and didn't leave!). For my part I repeat the apology to Roopi Andy so to save trees can you print this public apology off, cut off the bit below and pass it to her for me. If she wants a further apology then let me know her number and I will ring her directly.


From P1:

Hello Richard,



As I have received no reply from you in reference to the mail below perhaps you haven’t looked at the Scream-it e-mail account recently – hopefully this will reach you.



Since then you have posted several more comments and so are back online. As the P1 bashing continues it would be good to understand why we should be considered the same as F4SA in your eyes – true we are working with them in the hand over period but that is a sensible approach when taking over an existing business. If we don’t like what we see we will change things but this year we will get to know the UK series. We have at no time said we are the world experts in running powerboat races. We have taken over the series and changed little and asked a lot of questions – I sent out a lengthy questionnaire to all 2008 and 2009 teams asking for feedback but received little response – if you and the rest of the racers can’t be bothered to tell us what you felt was wrong, why should we bother to change things? You all had your chance the moment we took over the series and very few could be bothered to reply. So please don’t criticise P1 when what you are saying isn’t correct. I can quite easily handle the criticism if its deserved – but so far, in terms of what you have said about P1, its just plain wrong. I have an e-mail from 4 Nations telling us they don’t want to work with us when we offered to do just that – should I make that public ? – might change the way people think about things and shed a whole new light on what you have been saying.



I’d appreciate a response the e-mail below as soon as possible please.



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Andy



From: Andy Hindley
Sent: 01 March 2010 18:04
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Cc: Robert Wicks; jon@boatmad.com
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Dear Richard,



I was very disappointed to read your recent post on Boatmad.com - seen here at http://boatmad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15441&page=4 and copied verbatim below. Given the association we both had with Goss Challenges in the late 1990’s, I had hoped you left that organisation with a better appreciation and healthy respect for people as individuals, but clearly that is not the case.



I fully understand that we live in a world of free speech but sometime things can go a little too far and on this occasion I think they have. I refer to your comment about “some dippy bint from P1”.

The person who has been calling the prospective teams from last year’s Honda Formula 4 Stroke Series to find out if they are considering taking part in our SuperStock race series is neither dippy nor a bint – we take the meaning of bint in its most extreme, given the tone and substance of the rest of your diatribe. Roopi, the lady calling the teams, has been a key member of the P1 team for several years and has worked her way up from PA to the CEO to Marketing Exec. She is a strong believer in the P1 brand and volunteered to call the teams as she feels strongly about the SuperStock series and wants it to succeed – clearly she shows initiative and commitment and so I would suggest she is far from ‘dippy’. She is also a valued member of our team and has the respect of everyone in our office, so I struggle to see how you can imagine her to be a ‘bint’ when you haven’t met her and perhaps not even spoken to her.



We would be grateful if you would both post an apology on the boatmad.com website and write to Roopi explaining your comments. If you don’t feel you can manage this, could you at least explain to me why you feel so disapprovingly of P1 and our efforts to run a race series this year – all we have done is commit time, money and effort to put on a race series for the old Honda teams (and most certainly at no financial gain, as keeps being reported). For all our efforts all we appear to get is large amounts of criticism and derision – none of which I feel is warranted. Please take this opportunity to tell me and Robert what it is that is so upsetting and then please leave the attacks on our staff off the forums. We will happily talk to you about P1’s involvement and plans for the old Honda series and I’m sure Asif would be happy to talk it through if you wish to call him or visit our offices – and by the way, I should also point out that the spelling is Asif – A-S-I-F not A-Z-I-F. A quick look at our website would have provided this for you.



As you are a keen and highly vocal supporter of 4 Nations can we assume you speak for them in relation to the web forum?



Yours,


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Firstly morning to all Honda teams out there, we had a fantastic rookie year last year & wish you all well for 2010.

Yes I have some answers Johnny Powerboat P1 are ready to Rock the new Superstock Series read on.....

After reading some of the posts over the last few weeks on the forum I felt it important to write an article.

We attended the P1 Oxford meeting on Saturday 6th March 2010; I will comment & put the minutes underneath.

I believe there is room for 4 Nations as well as Powerboat P1 both to run their annual series here in the UK.

What has happened in the past is history, yes people got a few things wrong, but the effort that went into setting the series up is admirable. However I do have to say that the series ran for 10 years & most of you raced in some of those 10 years, we only saw the 2009 series year & it was difficult times, in fact Honda had pulled the plug on Formula One & sold there team for next to nothing! so F4SA didn’t have much of a chance.

On this note I understand there is frustration with a certain company which I shall not mention, but no matter how big or small the company is, there will always be frustration, wether it be a breakdown in communication or a failed delivery or repair jobs scheduled not met. This happens everywhere!

I raised a question to Powerboat P1 Management & asked - If you are a Team living quite a distance away from Southampton could you get your boat repaired at a Mercury approved dealership near to you? the answer was yes.

But moving on I believe what Powerboat P1 are trying to do is very difficult, taking over a dead series & pioneering it into a worldwide future series. They are a dedicated team who are completely involved in making things happen.

4 Nations are trying to gain sponsorship for their series this is so difficult, there is no sponsorship out there, TV deals are so difficult schedules are all tied up for 2010. ITV were not interested in P1. This is a new Company in the eyes of any sponsor they need proven track records & a future plan, you cannot claim you have been going for 10 Years as the name has changed?

The Mercury Engine debate - this was changed because Honda will no longer warranty there Engines. We have all our repair bills from last year’s Honda 225Engine, we broke mounts at least twice, saddles, etc etc, and the costs were huge. Mercury is giving that warranty. Powerboat P1 Management are offering you the chance to race with a new engine in a new deal, The Engine cost is £15,000 you pay the first £5,000 for the engine, P1 loan you £5,000, then at the end of the season they will buy back your Engine for £5,000. This is allowing you to race for 1 year for £5,000 (the Engine must be in reasonable state for the end buy back).

The burning question is – How many racing?
150 = 9 to date.
300 = 5 to date. (This is guaranteed by P1 as a minimum of 5 if not your full inscription fee back)
Costs = 2010 Season £1,300 + a log book matched to your boat (RYA) & your Engine dyno’d & hull/weight/rails check I can’t remember the cost for this? £300 - £400 - You ask why? to stop any cheating.

Hospitality = £35 per person (no profits to be made run at cost price).

There was new blood at the meeting & further more interest, P1 are going to do a ‘Try & Buy’ style weekend at Southampton? They are putting an article into ‘Auto sport’ I spoke with Andy Hindley yesterday regarding this – so if you have a boat for sale keep your eyes out for this in ‘Auto sport’ or on the P1 website.

So the European races Croatia first, only a few weeks ago 50 – 100 Croatian Government Officials were arrested charged with corruption, Croatia Airlines announce £30 million in losses, The biggest music festival in Croatia was also cancelled see

http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Pa...nci al_crisis

This was before P1 cancelled there event in Split, Croatia – Unfortunately the sponsor AIM failed to come up with the promised money. Yes we can blame P1for not securing the money before hand, but in this day & age this is very difficult.

http://worldofpowerboats.com/2010/02...ent-cancelled/

P1 had no choice but to cancel & pull out.

Sweden – On Saturday in the Oxford Meeting P1 gave the racers the choice do we or don’t we race in Sweden, the vote was cast & the decision was not to race, due to costs & time taken to get the boats over. This was not P1’s decision it was the racers.

Calender 2010

May 21st – 23rd – Penzance, South Coast

June 5th – 7th - Gallaway, Ireland

July – 9th – 11th - Pwllheli, Wales

August – No Racing

September – 10th – 12th – Southampton Boat Show

September – 17th – 19th – Southampton Boat Show Finale

Penzance, South Coast - 50 litres of fuel for each team guaranteed, P1 trying to get all race fuel free.

Gallaway, Ireland - 40p per mile travelled.

I spoke with Gunter from 'The Power of Dreams' last week he wishes everyone well In P1 & 4 Nations, I thought I would post his email for all to see; he will not be racing this year & is looking to move into a future series in 2011.

Dear Neil

Thanks for your wishes - which I like to give back to you and the guys around you - and also thanks for your kind and very interesting information.

Sorry for late reply, I was busy at the Düsseldorf Boat Show until Monday night. We ran our own stand and it seems that we did it successful.

However, I will no longer race the Cougar boat. Neither in P1 nor in 4N. I have a new agreement with Honda Motor Europe (North) for the PODG and it says only for promotion uses.

My focus is on Offshore Class 3. Try to keep my head free from other ideas. Will make it absolutely happen, latest 2011.

Also I stay out of discussions about P1 and 4N. Wishing both series and former competitors a lot of success from my heart.

Yes, please let's stay in touch. We have spent a great time together in racing and it should not have been for nothing!

Go forward and rock the SuperStock Series - wish you all the best for it!

And of course giving you too any assistence you may need once in our region. Really a pleasure what you've offered me for GB!

Kind regards & Cheers

Günter
Beste Grüße / Kind regards

P1 - Communication 9th March 2010 via email.

Dear Teams,

Please see the attached presentation and minutes from the very positive meeting at the weekend.

Several points to note:

• The dates presented in the original version from Saturday were slightly incorrect for Galway – the previous Galway dates (and now the attached) have the correct dates for all the events. In reference to the races that coincide with the Southampton boat show, I have spoken to the show main sponsor and they are keen for us to be there. We have provisional approval from the BMF who run the show and we have our main meeting with them tomorrow to finalise the details. There is case history for the races being run as it was done 5 years ago, so unless the harbour master refuses we should be good to go with these events.

• The decision was taken to cut the Sweden and Croatia events out of the calendar this year but look at what can be done for 2011.

• P1 guarantee at least 5 teams in the 300 Class and the number of 150 class boats now stands at 9 and rising – so we are 100% committed to the series this year.

• Rules will be policed tightly and in particular the shape of hulls will be checked with templates to ensure modifications have not been made. Hull speed coatings that do nothing but enhance performance will not be allowed. This doesn’t prevent anti-foul being applied or the use of treatments that protect the hull surface. Neither does it stop the hull being wet-sanded. This will be altered within the rules and is designed to keep costs down.

• Hospitality will be offered at all events this year with all offerings being run at cost. P1 does not want to make any money from this activity and will happily share the accounts for the hospitality with anyone wishing to see them. The estimated price is £35 per person per day without alcohol – but this will be confirmed for all the venues before bookings are taken. We will look to offer alcohol (no pilots please!) on either a pay as you go basis or included in the ticket price.

• We will run adverts in mainstream motorsport outlets and we will set up a ‘try and buy’ session that is advertised in these placements with a view to increasing the participation in SuperStock for the future. We would welcome any teams wishing to sell their boat to this event so people coming to test a boat (150 or 300) have the chance to look over products for sale. We will also invite our mainstream motor sport contacts to the event as a way of spreading the word about SuperStock. More details of where and when as soon as we have the final information.

• We will share with you our future plans for SuperStock Europe, SuperStock Middle East and SuperStock USA as soon as we have confirmed the countries we will operate the wider series in.

• Very important note for Log Books: The RYA are insisting that log books be created for all UK registered boats racing in the UK from now on. The SuperStock Log book will count as the RYA log book meaning you don’t have to have both. This makes the SuperStock Log Book great value as you get a dyno test, the boat weight and CoG check as well as all the other checks and measurements that go to make up the RYA log book.

Thank you once again for the efforts you made to attend the meeting. It was very positive and we welcome your suggestions, comments and ideas on how to make the series better for everyone.

As always, if you have any questions, let me know.

Thanks,

Andy



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SUPERSTOCK MEETING
OXFORD
06 - 03 - 2010

P1 STAFF: Andy Hindley, Robert Wicks, Kirstie Westwood & Martin Sanborn (P1 USA)

Presenting Andy Hindley / Robert Wicks
Minutes: Kirstie Westwood
TEAM ATTENDEE’S: 26

Meeting begins 11.07am
A H: Welcome & introduction of P1 staff present
AH: Begins the meeting with SuperStock power point presentation.
RW: Discusses the TV coverage & benefits
AH: Continues with the presentation
Q1: at Southampton Boat show, are the boats expected to stay in the water for the whole time?
AH: will pose this question to the British marine Federation but we expect to be able to have space ashore to hole them during the week but also expect them to be in the water at the weekends.
Q2: will the 125 engine change in 2011?
AH: Only if there is a sponsorship deal & all teams are given an engine free – P1 has no intention to change this engine.
Q3: Why not give teams £5,000 instead of paying 1/3 towards the £15,000 engine cost? Does P1 want the engines back?
AH: In effect we are either lending the team £5000 (if they wish to sell the engine back to P1 after the season) or giving teams £5000 by paying 1/3 of the cost up front and buying the used engine back for £5000 after the season. P1 does not really want the engines at the end of the season, we are simply trying to help with costs. The run-in engines will be made available for use the following year for any team wishing to get hold of a 1 year old 300 engine.
Q4: Why not forget TV coverage and give a share of the cost to the teams?
RW: explains in detail that TV coverage will help to get sponsors and to help grow the series. The attractiveness of TV to any sponsor is huge and is a main driver for large investment.
AH: informs of Icom deal – Icom will be present at every SuperStock event with a disply and products and will be offering assistance.
AH: Discusses the vision for P1 future including SuperStock, Jet-bikes & Rib racing
Q5: Can P1 help with negotiating bank loans – to buy the engines?
AH: we don’t have any direct relationship with marine finance companies but we can ask our commercial team to look into this.
Q6: Can P1 help with finding sponsors?
Q7: To raise the awareness can we get Marcus Pye/Autosport to do an editorial? Or approach Motorsport drivers to do a trial?
RW (Q6): Our commercial department will try to help in any way they can. Please contact them as they are speaking to UK based companies every day and selling in P1 in various ways – if they come across a company looking for a team, they will of course pass it on. We have already approached Autosport & we have contacts with influential motorsport drivers and we will take this further in the next few weeks.
Q8: Why have we not telephoned all the teams from 2007 & 2008
AH: We have contacted the teams and Roopi has been calling them in the last two week – and has come in for some unwarranted abuse on some forums as a result.
Q9: Can we have an “open day” where people can test & try out the boats, to improve inscription? Why are we not opening up to a wider audience?
AH: Yes. We will look to do this in association with the Autosport initiative and also invite teams wishing to sell their boats to display them as ‘For sale’. We will also use our mainstream motorsport contacts to enhance the try and buy event.
Q10: If we try to get motorsport drivers involved will we lose the family atmosphere?
AH: Possibly. That is a case of management on our part but ultimately if the mentality is to push the rules then that could happen – its down to us to keep the playing field as level as we can
Q11: How long is a new boat build time?
A(AH): 4 - 6 weeks
Q12: Can we race 250 series & 300 series together, if needed
AH: John Puddifoot would have to approve this - not sure due to safety. After the accident in Dover one of the findings was that having boats of significantly different speeds racing on the same course at the same time will add to the potential for an accident and so any race wanting to run this format will have to have approval from the RYA in this regard.
Q13: Will P1 guarantee a minimum of 5 boats in 300 series for 2010?
AH: Yes P1 will, as there are already 4 teams interested we will work to have at least 5 x 300 class boats in the series.
Q14: Can P1 negotiate with 4 Nations, so that teams can race in both series?
AH: P1 has no problem with teams racing in both series, of course we wish to move forward with good relations with 4 Nations.
Q15: Special Hull treatment, this is costly can the rules be changed. Also can the boat be modified.
Q16: If teams modify the boats, will this be policed properly?
AH: We can look into these areas. We want to police the series fairly, that is why we are asking for all teams to have their boats inspected prior to the first event. This includes a Dyno test so engines are checked pre-season and ensure no late surprises. Hull treatment rules can be changed but some aspects of hull treatments may need to be allowed – I will investigate and re-write as required. All boats should be as they were original or if modified only modified as per the rules. This will be policed.
Q17: Why can’t we have all the checks at the first event, £500 is too expensive for the tests pre –season.
AH: Time is an issue here. If you want the series policed properly then all boats have to checked, if boats are new then the engines should be fine. However there is a difference between fair fixes on a boat & blatant cheating. Everyone will be treated the same. The pre-season check were brought in because of lots of finger pointing in the past. If teams want to risk turning up and not being allowed to race then we can look at that set up but people want to know the boat next to them has been checked and the only way we can do that evenly is before the season starts.
The RYA now require a log book for all race boats – this is a new initiative to start to record any mods and repairs to registered race boats. The RYA will accept our log book for this purpose so the fee for the RYA book won’t need to be paid so saving that cost. I have agreed this with John Puddifoot. Any race boat racing in the UK will have to have a log book of some sort for 2010 so our log book, full boat check and dyno test is a fair price given the cost of the RYA log book (around £280 + travel costs and expenses but with no dyno, weighing or CoG check)
We can look at the Dyno test being done 2 days before the event, but if your engine fails then you will not race unless it can be fixed. The chance is yours to take but we won’t allow illegal teams to race.
Q18: Can we drop the European rounds and have 1 extra round in the UK? Weymouth?
AH: We understand that, due to cost and time constraints, that the majority of teams wish to drop the European rounds. To compensate we have 2 back to back events at Southampton that coincide with the boat show – our final meeting to confirm this is next week so the dates are still provisional until we get sign off from the BMF.
Some crews are already racing the CTC race this year so to have a SuperStock event coincide with it at this late stage is a little unfair although we could look at running a Cowes Poole Cowes race for those wishing t enter for fun.
Q19: What is the hospitality package?
AH: We have hospitality arranged in all the venues and it will be offered at cost price, we don’t want to make money on it but simply cover our costs – the estimate is £35 per person per day without alcohol - we’ll either have a price with alcohol or sell alcohol on the day at cost. If you let us know more about what you are looking for inc prices then we can arrange accordingly – but we won’t run this at a great loss!
Q20: Rules 10 & 28 to be registered with the RYA & Sea power log book. Can we just do 1 registration & 1 fee
AH: The new rules need to be highlighted to the teams, you won’t need an RYA log book if you have a SuperStock logbook. All other UK race boats wishing to race in 2010 will need an RYA log book.
Q21: Do we have to get engine work done at a Mercury dealer?
AH: For general servicing it can be done at any Mercury dealer or certified dealer but for some of the work you will need a specialist who knows the 300 XS engine to get the parts & certification.
AH: Presents the SuperStock locations of 2011
Q22: How many events are you looking to have in 1 calendar year in the future?
AH: We are looking at 6 events each year, we understand that costs play a part in people competing. We can have 5 if this is more cost effective – please tell us what you want and we can arrange this based on best fit.
AH: rounds up the meeting
Meeting ends: 1.40pm

I hope this clears a few things up. We wish 4 Nations good luck with Sponsorship for 2010 in the UK, we wish everyone we raced with in 2009 good luck. Hope to see some familiar faces in Penzance!
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Can you confirm the teams who have committed as I can't see it on your site?

You were swift to announce Octane etc so can you advise who exaclty has signed up?

In particular the 300 class.

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PS Your comment and e-mail from Gunter is clearly designed to undermine the Four Nations organisers. You also havent the guts to name yourself as an official which you clearly are.
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hi Screamit.com,

the Teams commited can be confirmed with Powerboat P1 - not my place to say, but as a 300 Team we are committed to P1 & signed.

I have never mentioned Octane ever? in my article as this is my first, however hey Simon & the boy's hope your'e all good!

My comment from Gunter is clear & precise which you have not been with your information neither are the said organisers you refer to, but as I say I wish Tony & the Team good luck with this year & future racing. However facts are facts.

I don't have your official name?

however to clear things up for you I am Neil a 'Team Manager' for a local Southampton Team, so no not an official.

We just want to get on with Racing & hopefully maybe one day race alongside 4N in a fun packed weekend.

I hope this helps you out & anyone else reading these articles, good luck to any prospective Teams for the future.
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Yes I understand. Good luck. You I understand have not had the pleasure of racing against 17 225s and as so you will not understand our perspective. You also were not present at the meeting with Honda in November 2007 and as a result will not have the same opinion of F4SA as I do.

Honda gave F4SA money and time to build upon the success. That is why several teams refuse to participate in the P1 series.

OK as P1 cannot tell me...can you do me a favour and ask P1 for a list of 300 entrants and then publish the result here or ask them as it is, after all March, and people are racing soon, why they have stopped the extensive press releasing of Superstock?

No pressure but I just want to examine facts and not promises as the European racing breiefed at the awards dinner has been canned so what next?

I see the Cornish Press has announced a World Championship coming to town and with a picture of Fazza Class 1????

The fact that P1 promise the earth and so far do not seem to have 5 300s signed up is not encoraging now is it? If 5 is your team's target for entry then so be it...

If you have lots of money don't waste your time with P1, buy an XCAT from Chris Parsonage Racing!
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rich your xcat will be up for sale after your first race because your going to shit yourself
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Yes I understand. Good luck. You I understand have not had the pleasure of racing against 17 225s and as so you will not understand our perspective. You also were not present at the meeting with Honda in November 2007 and as a result will not have the same opinion of F4SA as I do.

Honda gave F4SA money and time to build upon the success. That is why several teams refuse to participate in the P1 series.

OK as P1 cannot tell me...can you do me a favour and ask P1 for a list of 300 entrants and then publish the result here or ask them as it is, after all March, and people are racing soon, why they have stopped the extensive press releasing of Superstock?

No pressure but I just want to examine facts and not promises as the European racing breiefed at the awards dinner has been canned so what next?

I see the Cornish Press has announced a World Championship coming to town and with a picture of Fazza Class 1????

The fact that P1 promise the earth and so far do not seem to have 5 300s signed up is not encoraging now is it? If 5 is your team's target for entry then so be it...

If you have lots of money don't waste your time with P1, buy an XCAT from Chris Parsonage Racing!
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and why would he do that ?
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You know that you don't need legs to drive an Xcat!

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Yes I understand. Good luck. You I understand have not had the pleasure of racing against 17 225s and as so you will not understand our perspective. You also were not present at the meeting with Honda in November 2007 and as a result will not have the same opinion of F4SA as I do.

Honda gave F4SA money and time to build upon the success. That is why several teams refuse to participate in the P1 series.

OK as P1 cannot tell me...can you do me a favour and ask P1 for a list of 300 entrants and then publish the result here or ask them as it is, after all March, and people are racing soon, why they have stopped the extensive press releasing of Superstock?

No pressure but I just want to examine facts and not promises as the European racing breiefed at the awards dinner has been canned so what next?

I see the Cornish Press has announced a World Championship coming to town and with a picture of Fazza Class 1????

The fact that P1 promise the earth and so far do not seem to have 5 300s signed up is not encoraging now is it? If 5 is your team's target for entry then so be it...

If you have lots of money don't waste your time with P1, buy an XCAT from Chris Parsonage Racing!
I'm guessing that you missed the fact that Honda sold it's F1 team for next to nothing.

I'm also guessing that you missed the fact that F4SA is no longer a company, so your hatred of a company that no longer exists seems a little bit Radio Rental to anyone looking on.

Your constant slating of P1 and what they are hoping to achieve seems a little bit fanatic to say the least, especially for someone who apparently isn't even racing with 4N or P1
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