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Old 24-04-2006, 12:18 PM   #1
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Helmet help!

Need some help - Can't use my Geckos anymore, and I have a pair of perfectly good 3 year old Shoei helmets with the stickers removed and painted. The thing is they were only used for one season, and the rules state that anything over 5 years old should be replaced.

My problem that I need help with is how the hell do I prove that my helmets meet the standard when they are a discontinued model, so if anyone can point me in the right direction it would be appreciated and worth a beer or two!!

If I can't prove this I will need to buy 2 more helmets, and I would like lightweight ones (they cut down the whiplash effect on your neck!), so they won't be cheap!
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Old 24-04-2006, 12:23 PM   #2
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drop a line they might have some info to support the RYA requirement
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drop a line they might have some info to support the RYA requirement
Brilliant!

Called them and spoke to a guy called Mark and it has a tiny little cloth label sewn in with "E6" on it - apparently that means it complies to ECE22-05 ............... all I have to do now is convince a scrutineer now!!!!!!!
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Brilliant!

Called them and spoke to a guy called Mark and it has a tiny little cloth label sewn in with "E6" on it - apparently that means it complies to ECE22-05 ............... all I have to do now is convince a scrutineer now!!!!!!!
We had the same problem Cookee. If you look inside the helmet you should have a label saying which model Shoei it is. If you then ring Feridax and ask them to photocopy an old brochure showing that type of helmet and fax it to you-job done. It states on the page of the brochure that they conform to BS6658. They were extemely helpful.
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Bloody hell I made a useful contribution for a change
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Yes you did and thank you very much!

The way I understand it is that - The label says it complies, therefore no further proof is required?
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I think the best way would be to get the paperwork to show to the scrutineer,and then he can check the label also.As far as i am aware the RYA have stated as long as you can prove the helmet is of the correct BS then,the scrutineers will accept that.Once they have been checked,they will have an RYA approved sticker attached to them and you won't need to prove it again this season.
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Dont helmet manufacturers recommend AGAINST affixing stickers to their helmets for safety reasons ???

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If that's the case then unfortunately everyone who races is going against the advice of helmet manufacturers,myself included,when we stick boat numbers on them as directed by the PB1
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HELP!!

I have the Comunica Omega+

It exceeds safety standard EN966. This is the standard for helicopter pilot headgear.

Looking up EN966 it says it cross references
BS EN960,
89/686/EEC BS 2782:Part 5:Method 540D,
BS 2782:Part 5:Method 540E,
BS AU 228:Part 1,
BS EN960

Does this qualify?
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Old 25-04-2006, 06:25 AM   #11
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Wouldn't of thought so as the correct BS is not referenced.

Think you will need to contact Comunica directly see what they have to say. Hope I'm wrong but I think it unlikley they would meet the impact requirements of the BS
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As a totally side issue, a lot of the C1 boats run aviation helmets be intresting to see how they get on in plymouth later in the year, have a creeping derogation feeling ??????
Well RYA who read this site and hate it have you thought about that yet?
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Old 25-04-2006, 09:14 AM   #13
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Dont helmet manufacturers recommend AGAINST affixing stickers to their helmets for safety reasons ???

No they don't!

Polycarbonate helmets cannot be painted, and they are only the cheaper end of the market. How else would you fix the numbers onto the helmet as per the RYA regulations?

Blufin - C1 run to UIM regulations, not RYA!
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That was a ploy to open a nice tin of worms on my part (Sorry) too see where it ran.
Ie national racing is BS, international under UIM you dont, and can run as previously clever eh !!!
Or put it anoteher way a UK RYA driver in an international event in the UK does (possibly) but international non UK dont, unless noted in the advance program / race instructions.
So for plymouth does that mean Uk crews Do, non Uk dont. Personally I dont give a shite either way but shows what an ass the system can be sometimes.

205.07 - PROTECTING HELMET
Any person aboard any boat partaking in races must wear an adequate
helmet of orange colour throughout the race and during practise runs.
Helmets may only be removed when effecting repairs and the boat is
“off plane”.
Each crew member’s helmet must be identified with their boat race
number. This number shall be placed on the top surface of the helmet
and shall be read from the rear. The numbers shall have a minimum
height of 7.5 cm and shall be of the same style as the boat race number.
These numbers shall be painted in waterproof black paint or be made of
black coloured self adhesive material of adequate strength.
The wearer is entirely responsible for the choice of his helmet. The
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Please see the latest bulletin.
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a minimum of BS 6658.B or a similar standard to include UN ECE22-05, & Snell M2000, M2005
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Old 25-04-2006, 09:40 AM   #16
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Exactly Matt, Key words being "all classes" & "over 80mph"
All I'm getting at is how will it be implemented or enforced at UK UIM events & which would take priority.

"Lifted from Link"

the helmet rules for all classes are revised with immediate effect as follows:

1)It is mandatory to wear a helmet made to a minimum of BS 6658.B or a similar standard to include UN ECE22-05, & Snell M2000, M2005.
2)Helmet to be coloured predominantly Orange, (at least 50%).
3)It is recommended that for craft capable of over 80mph the helmet complies with BS 6658.A or Snell SA2000, SA2005.
4)It is also recommended that helmets are replaced when they reach five years old from date of manufacture.

(On a personal note the higher standard is good)

RYA need to add a line as to how they will apply/ enforce UIM events as a difference now exists between the two. Somebody somewhere would turn up with the wrong one otherwise.
Highlighting a difference of STANDARDS in perhaps a poor manner
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