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Old 21-01-2008, 11:12 AM   #81
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[B]i think honda have the right idea. does boat racing want to go the same way as f1 and turn into a follow my leader

They do follow their leader, king of shaves Fountain worldwide.
That'll be P1 I think you'll find.
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Old 21-01-2008, 11:14 AM   #82
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since the 225 series started nearly every year we have been given a prop that runs slower than the year before are boats will easerly run over 70 with the right prop we get what we are given we are not doing straight line speed runs even when we went to the lakes we had 2 run our honda props the most ive got out of mine is 58.8 knts whats that in mph

No they won't run over 70 - 68.24mph on Coniston with better conditions than you'll ever sea in a race! (And they tried every prop they could up there!)
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Old 21-01-2008, 11:16 AM   #83
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Neil has rigged his EVO ribs with all brands, Honda 225s, Mercs, and the Rudes.

I believe his quickest results were with the Rude 225 HO
That's because it isn't 225 hp - they are at least 10% more powerful making it around 245 - 250 hp.
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Old 21-01-2008, 11:25 AM   #84
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For what it's worth I agree with everything Jon has said - especially in relation to the comparison between Honda and other classes, it's got nothing to do with the comparative speeds, but everything to do with hull stability and driver discipline. Honda have proved that they have a great concept which is popular both with the entrants and the viewing public, if it was a bit safer for the competitors that would shut everybody up.

I really don't believe anybody in powerboat racing hates Honda or any of the competitors in it, it's just that it scares people who are familiar with the risks to watch videos such as the one that Honda released to see what appears to be very dangerous racing. The last thing any of us want to see is anybody hurt, especially if it can be avoided. I think what Tricky was trying to say in his own "delicate fashion" was that if any incident turned into a major one it would have implications over the whole sport.
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Old 21-01-2008, 03:10 PM   #85
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jf is correct we have rigged evo ribs with many brands of large v6 outboards,and results are as follows,
all the boats were weighed as bare boats, and fully rigged.
bare boats were all within 25 kg of each other .
rigged boats had all the same equipment steering type,bow tanks,seating,ect
just the standard engine controls differ from each manufacture

first test was with all engines at same transom height and with the same style prop ,
Mercury 225 opti 69 mph average
Evinrude 225 68 " "
Honda 225 66 " "


We then tested the Evinrude 225 HO (247hp)

Evinrude 225 HO 71 mph average

all the engines tested made the boats handle diffrentley (to long a story to go into, unless your buying the beers)

the Honda may look a little slower but when loaded up with excessive weight came out fastest.


The new training school evo we ran last year had a 225 HO and performed very well all year (and fast !)

Now same boat fitted with Evinrude 250 HO (very fast !)
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jf is correct we have rigged evo ribs with many brands of large v6 outboards,and results are as follows,
all the boats were weighed as bare boats, and fully rigged.
bare boats were all within 25 kg of each other .
rigged boats had all the same equipment steering type,bow tanks,seating,ect
just the standard engine controls differ from each manufacture

first test was with all engines at same transom height and with the same style prop ,
Mercury 225 opti 69 mph average
Evinrude 225 68 " "
Honda 225 66 " "


We then tested the Evinrude 225 HO (247hp)

Evinrude 225 HO 71 mph average

all the engines tested made the boats handle diffrentley (to long a story to go into, unless your buying the beers)

the Honda may look a little slower but when loaded up with excessive weight came out fastest.


The new training school evo we ran last year had a 225 HO and performed very well all year (and fast !)

Now same boat fitted with Evinrude 250 HO (very fast !)
Thanks for replying Neil, best I do buy the beers next time I see you after all the Champers your other half laid on at Earls Court!

The reason for my initial post was I was trying to understand why the Honda boats seem to handle so badly - I wondered whether it had to do with running 4 strokes.

My next thought is that perhaps because every Honda race is televised we can give the boats more scrutiny?
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Thanks for replying Neil, best I do buy the beers next time I see you after all the Champers your other half laid on at Earls Court!

The reason for my initial post was I was trying to understand why the Honda boats seem to handle so badly - I wondered whether it had to do with running 4 strokes.

My next thought is that perhaps because every Honda race is televised we can give the boats more scrutiny?

The boats are a little biased to the weight 2/3 above FB. The torque of the engine makes RH turns easier as the torque will steer the hull into the turn -(most circuits are LH). The boats respond to wind across the bow and I think because of the shape of the freeboard this can act like a wing listing the hull.
If the boat is set up correctly it will corner safely and track on the rails. Most of the 225 boats are set up well but they take some getting used to at speed into turns.
They actually take some pretty radical driving to get them to turn over and if you study the footage of these accidents, the boats that roll have been driven into too tight turns (obvious I know).
They ride rough conditions well with little use of the bow tank.
Not everyones idea of fun I'm sure but they re great to race in and a challange to get right.

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The boats are a little biased to the weight 2/3 above FB. The torque of the engine makes RH turns easier as the torque will steer the hull into the turn -(most circuits are LH). The boats respond to wind across the bow and I think because of the shape of the freeboard this can act like a wing listing the hull.
If the boat is set up correctly it will corner safely and track on the rails. Most of the 225 boats are set up well but they take some getting used to at speed into turns.
They actually take some pretty radical driving to get them to turn over and if you study the footage of these accidents, the boats that roll have been driven into too tight turns (obvious I know).
They ride rough conditions well with little use of the bow tank.
Not everyones idea of fun I'm sure but they re great to race in and a challange to get right.

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they dont handle badly you just have to push them hard to do well in them & that takes skill and practice, (training can help a bit too)
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they dont handle badly you just have to push them hard to do well in them & that takes skill and practice, (training can help a bit too)
I guess what Neil was saying was that he has won one or two world championships in his time, has got a rough idea how to set up a race boat, and now can train wannabe race boat drivers.

http://www.powerboatcentre.com/

Forget the BS on forums this guy has done it.
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big respect to neil know he has helped many 225 competitors and his tuition has shown in races
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i think alot of u should turn off the tv if u dissagree with the racing so much . if the boats were easy to drive and every body went around with no action it would be a bit boring and who would bother to watch. driving a honda is hard and exciting sara proved she could nt do it. the mobile chicane was a bit of a danger so there might be a few less accidents now.
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Varne Boat Club I was told.
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