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12-08-2009, 05:08 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
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Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl
still not racing jon
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Na, even if we wanted to, the boat is in a million bits.
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12-08-2009, 05:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
the boat is in a million bits.
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so is ours. ... but i guess its a little easier to put back together
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12-08-2009, 05:43 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
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Boat name: Leviathan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Foolish
so is ours. ... but i guess its a little easier to put back together
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Probably, but ours is a walk in the park really. Put the transom assy back together yesterday. should have the motors back in early next week.
Bit of testing with the 'new improved' ECU mapping, and we're away.
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12-08-2009, 06:13 PM
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#24
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I don't do mornings!!
Country: England
Location: Poole
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Na, even if we wanted to, the boat is in a million bits.
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Hey, Jon - what do you mean "Even if we wanted to"???
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12-08-2009, 06:49 PM
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v24 rocks
Country: uk
Location: littlehampton
Boat name: bat out of hell, tooti fruty
Cruising area: LA
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Needles
JF the boat look good at the boat shows you went to. Shame its not on the
water cos you only had all year to get it ready for the Mathrathon series you
tried to promoter. Not so good for the clubs who put on a race for you series and have to pay a CALENDAR FEE TO RYA and boats do not
bother to turn up Makes you
wonder whey the organisers bother. Cliff
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12-08-2009, 06:51 PM
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The Doc
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I should point out to you that its not Jons boat
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12-08-2009, 07:04 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
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Boat name: Leviathan
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There are a few reasons why we won't be at Needles. It was completely within our control to be ready for Needles if we wanted to, but we didn't. Nothing to do with not making the effort.
Don't really think it's productive to discuss this on the net though, so I'll just leave it that as planned, we won't be racing at the Needles Trophy event, not this year anyway.
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12-08-2009, 07:17 PM
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v24 rocks
Country: uk
Location: littlehampton
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Thats a shame V24 Rocks
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13-08-2009, 06:51 AM
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Registered User
Location: West Coast of Norway
Occupation: naval architect
Interests: surface piercing props, stepped hulls, air entrapment hulls
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Boat make: PetterTintorera
Engines: Yamaha 90
Cruising area: West Coast of Norway
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Up to 295hp?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Probably, but ours is a walk in the park really. Put the transom assy back together yesterday. should have the motors back in early next week.
Bit of testing with the 'new improved' ECU mapping, and we're away.
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13-08-2009, 09:15 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
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Boat name: Leviathan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scand
Up to 295hp?
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No, the 295hp motor is more than just an ECU change. they have differing intercooler, turbocharger, injectors, etc, etc, etc. (and interestingly, a different harmonic damper & serpentine belt system)
So these will just be 250's on steroids, hopefully close to the current sterndrive version which is now 280hp, Still quite dainty for a 32 footer.
At 3.2 & 3.0 litre, these and the Yanmar BY's are remarkable really at close to 100hp/litre from a production diesel. getting on for twice that of my grumbly old GM V8's. If the GM's were the same state of tune, I'd have over 1100hp in the 28! (and a garage full of busted Bravo drives)
100hp/litre used to be pure race diesel territory only. So things have moved on a long way in recent years, and it can only get better. Shame about the cost of the fuel nowadays!
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13-08-2009, 11:51 AM
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I don't do mornings!!
Country: England
Location: Poole
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Points System for Marathon Series 2009
The attached document was approved by the RYA yesterday.
It was requested by the Marathon organisers as the fairest combination of available rules.
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13-08-2009, 01:12 PM
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
Boat make: BananaShark 34' Race
Engines: Twin Yanmar BY 260's
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Salcombe South Devon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
No, the 295hp motor is more than just an ECU change. they have differing intercooler, turbocharger, injectors, etc, etc, etc. (and interestingly, a different harmonic damper & serpentine belt system)
So these will just be 250's on steroids, hopefully close to the current sterndrive version which is now 280hp, Still quite dainty for a 32 footer.
At 3.2 & 3.0 litre, these and the Yanmar BY's are remarkable really at close to 100hp/litre from a production diesel. getting on for twice that of my grumbly old GM V8's. If the GM's were the same state of tune, I'd have over 1100hp in the 28! (and a garage full of busted Bravo drives)
100hp/litre used to be pure race diesel territory only. So things have moved on a long way in recent years, and it can only get better. Shame about the cost of the fuel nowadays!
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Also the 295's are tuned more for jet drives, so I'm not sure how this would work in a race boat?
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13-08-2009, 01:40 PM
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Registered User
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What does that mean? What kind of tune do jet drives need?
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13-08-2009, 02:07 PM
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
What does that mean? What kind of tune do jet drives need?
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Not a clue!
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British Champions! RIB Formula 1 2005
National Speed Record Holder at 90.15 (still)
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13-08-2009, 06:47 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
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Steyr will only supply the wastegated turbo version (more power down low) for sterndrive applications. This is because they have concerns about heavier boats getting on the plane without the wastegate torque advantage.
The 295 is only available non wastegated.
The jet pump installation doesn't require the same low down grunt (they overcome the turbo lag more easily)
We wanted the non wastegated engines for swipewipes, but they wouldn't let us have them.
They're a bit narrow minded like that.
I can understand it for the general retail sales where the install could end up in a very heavy craft, but a little disappointed that they wouldn't trust our opinions.
So I don't think it's so much a 'tune' issue. just inherited characteristics from the boost control type.
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15-08-2009, 01:33 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: poole
Occupation: retail
Interests: sport and being lazy
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Engines: merc xr2
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Any further updates on the entry list for tomorrow and does it start at 11.30 off the pier
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15-08-2009, 03:28 PM
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Registered User
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Location: Poole, Dorset
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Boat name: Starseed
Boat make: Colvic Suncruiser 35 Flybridge
Engines: 2x Thorneycroft 225 turbo diesel
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cfun
Any further updates on the entry list for tomorrow and does it start at 11.30 off the pier
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11.30 start at Poole Head, running East to Bournemouth Pier. 2 x Starts (Marathon & the rest).
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15-08-2009, 07:09 PM
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I don't do mornings!!
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Needles/Camden etc Race details
Here is the current info.
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16-08-2009, 08:36 AM
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Registered User
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Thank you for the replies, hope you all have a great safe race
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16-08-2009, 11:00 AM
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Moderator
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D~OOD
Here is the current info.
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Good line up D~OOD. Congratulations in pulling it all together. I hope you have a great day because you deserve it. I'm sure the guys will have a lot of fun as well.
I see Tony Hamiton is running in Bounty Hunter (beautiful boat), hope he doesn't need a lift out again by a chopper as he did in the RB08
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