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Old 22-06-2010, 07:37 PM   #21
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I could help him with that !!
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John...I got your text and yes could do with some help....have been stupidly busy with Company's new premises but fancy a run.

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Bob , i imagine Rich will have to go to the pub first were they used to do the Honda prize giving to see the COURSE first as in Dubai .
Nah can't mate a) It's closed down and b) I believe Rick Stein has just bought it.....
You getting on a plane to Nav?

Perhaps I'll speak to Isobel and make her kick you out for a weekend...

Bugger gonna have to change London plan .....Gav I'll be down for it tomorrow.

Bob you got a charger for Ian's icom hand held?
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Nah can't mate a) It's closed down and b) I believe Rick Stein has just bought it.....
You getting on a plane to Nav?

Perhaps I'll speak to Isobel and make her kick you out for a weekend...

Bugger gonna have to change London plan .....Gav I'll be down for it tomorrow.

Bob you got a charger for Ian's icom hand held?
Unother weekend out after being in Dubai for 5 weeks straight, She`s ere now glued to me on the sofa ,

MrG might navi wid ya M8 , Legacy ahh
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Unother weekend out after being in Dubai for 5 weeks straight, She`s ere now glued to me on the sofa ,

MrG might navi wid ya M8 , Legacy ahh
Good point..then he could try before he (she) buys....

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Getting desperate now !! We are now looking good on entries and safety cover.
Just a little bit short of a Medic !! Do any of you know a paramedic or doctor that would like to come and watch the racing ? Preferably a volunteer although will pay if we have to.

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This is what it has come down to !!

Bob,

I was entering the Plymouth race It would be my co-Drivers first race and we were planning to have a fast cruise. He has Level 2/ Radio/Advanced & Yachtmaster but no ‘race training’

We have been told that technically my Co-Driver could not race because he has not sat the ‘race’ training

I’d missed this when I phoned to enter.... having checked the race instructions...... it is in there ..... my mistake

I am worried that by the time we get to 2011 new entrants will be put off !!


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Bob! As far as i'm aware pb level 2 is the minimum needed. The very basic training given is supposedly to level 2 standard. The reason I know this is because I asked regarding my position to race at the moment. If the guy has had an event licence within 2 years if is fine. If not this will be where the problem lies, but again he has the minimum requirement. The red tape is another thing to run racing into the ground.
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Bob! As far as i'm aware pb level 2 is the minimum needed. The very basic training given is supposedly to level 2 standard. The reason I know this is because I asked regarding my position to race at the moment. If the guy has had an event licence within 2 years if is fine. If not this will be where the problem lies, but again he has the minimum requirement. The red tape is another thing to run racing into the ground.
I think you are right !! Although if you have a good boating CV then that is sufficient to not do Level 2 !!

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No mate I think it's actually level 2 and a boating cv means you don't need an rya assessment/ training. Although the training has absolutely nothing to do with racecraft. That is only my opinion.
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No mate I think it's actually level 2 and a boating cv means you don't need an rya assessment/ training. Although the training has absolutely nothing to do with racecraft. That is only my opinion.
Assuming it's a Yachmaster Power I reckon that trumps a level 2!
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Assuming it's a Yachmaster Power I reckon that trumps a level 2!
What's the phrase? Oh yeah it's over qualified. Lol. But I was refering to minimum requirements
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I think you are right !! Although if you have a good boating CV then that is sufficient to not do Level 2 !!

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Bob, started first time...

Can you point me to race instructions?
I've seen them somewhere...tried your site but haven't got me specs on...
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No mate I think it's actually level 2 and a boating cv means you don't need an rya assessment/ training. Although the training has absolutely nothing to do with racecraft. That is only my opinion.
With a Yachtmaster as well, can't he be assessed in the raceboat before racing at the event by a powerboat training officer - like Dave Simpkins?
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With a Yachtmaster as well, can't he be assessed in the raceboat before racing at the event by a powerboat training officer - like Dave Simpkins?
The way for powerboating to sort the problem out with new people is to use common sense: like if you have a new inexperienced crew then make sure they are handicapped so that they have plenty of practice before being in the thick of it. We went from being lapped by Negotiator three times in Torquay to leading the final race of the year...this was by choice but could have been enforced as Honda did by having the new crews on the outside of the start run until they completed 4 events. Only after that could they take their pole position order...

The alternative is to penalise an already weak sport and discourage new people...

In Yachting it is very normal to take the relatively much tougher courses of Day Skipper, Yachtmaster etc. This is accepted in Yacthing but to be honest taking Level 2 after Day Skipper theory and practice was too easy.

This is why the yachties always feel superior as their courses are defintely much tougher.

Race experience is gathered over time but why not introduce people by [;anned handicap as there are few people in the Country qualified to teach race training!

There are plenty though who like to think they know...that is the problem.


Anyway ...GMC John and I are going to race together tomorrow for the first time...thanks John for your help today...you are a star...
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With a Yachtmaster as well, can't he be assessed in the raceboat before racing at the event by a powerboat training officer - like Dave Simpkins?
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there are few people in the Country qualified to teach race training!
Under the new rules, clubs can now provide race training.



If any person has not held an RYA Race licence in the past two years, he must be assessed by his clubs training officer and signed off.

If the person has not raced before he should undergo training before being assessed.

Training and assessment can be done by a RACE training organisation - such as Neil Homes - OR by the persons CLUB training officer if the club offers such a thing.


Dave Simpkins can - if he is the club training officer - decide that because of the persons boating C.V. the person does not require training, and just needs to be assessed. If the assessment is satisfactory, then the person can be signed off. Essentially the decision if training is required or not depends on many aspects, and can not be easily legislated for.

Geoff Purvis - for example - has not raced or held a RYA licence for more than two years. If he wanted to race in 2010, under the new rules, he would need training and assessement. On the strength of his boating C.V. the club would probably decide that he does not require training, and assess his ability, following the guidelines published. Then he would be signed off and be able to race.

Bob Higginbottom has an RYA Day Skipper certificate, and takes his boat out on trips around the Solent. He wants to race. He has never raced before. On this basis the club would probably want to go through the training program before assessing him.
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Under the new rules, clubs can now provide race training.



If any person has not held an RYA Race licence in the past two years, he must be assessed by his clubs training officer and signed off.

If the person has not raced before he should undergo training before being assessed.

Training and assessment can be done by a RACE training organisation - such as Neil Homes - OR by the persons CLUB training officer if the club offers such a thing.


Dave Simpkins can - if he is the club training officer - decide that because of the persons boating C.V. the person does not require training, and just needs to be assessed. If the assessment is satisfactory, then the person can be signed off. Essentially the decision if training is required or not depends on many aspects, and can not be easily legislated for.

Geoff Purvis - for example - has not raced or held a RYA licence for more than two years. If he wanted to race in 2010, under the new rules, he would need training and assessement. On the strength of his boating C.V. the club would probably decide that he does not require training, and assess his ability, following the guidelines published. Then he would be signed off and be able to race.

Bob Higginbottom has an RYA Day Skipper certificate, and takes his boat out on trips around the Solent. He wants to race. He has never raced before. On this basis the club would probably want to go through the training program before assessing him.

My point is that there are very few people qualified to teach all types. You mention one trainer above who has trained more than one person to turn over a Honda boat... and in the most dangerous fashion...see it for yourself on TV...the incident with 'taking hands off the steering wheel'? Some training that was!

Jeepers!!

That is a class example. I have seen in a top magazine the senior powerboat instructor demonstrating a turn in the old Fatboy Racing boat with the engine tucked right in.....in a turn...???

try that in a race and your wouldn't last 5 seconds in an upright position.


The regime of hours of practice is what needs to be encouraged not spending loads of money being taught how to turn a boat over in a few hours.

And nobody can argue against hard evidence...
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You mention one trainer above who has trained more than one person to turn over a Honda boat... and in the most dangerous fashion....
OK, let me try and get this right.....


Neil Holmes offers a Racing Driver Improvement course, which he has defined and which he feels will improve the ability of a racing driver to drive. You either like him or you dont. Some people swear by him, others at him.

This is not the instruction envisioned by the RYA.

The RYA looks at a course of training and an assessment which determines if you are a safe driver or navigator who can be safe at the event. Things like how to behave at muster, how to start following the start boat, how to behave at turn marks, how to overtake, what to do when retiring from a race etc etc etc. None of that will make you a better race driver or navigator. It will make you a safer driver or navigator, and the club signing you off states that you meet the minimum standard of safety for an event.

To become a better racer with a different technique you go take lessons from someone like Neil Holmes. Currently I think he is the only established person/company who does this race improvement training.

So they are different things - with different intents.


Neil Holmes can give you tips, training and techniques to improve your racing.

A club powerboat training officer (Dave Simpkins?) can sign you off for racing after assessing your competance.
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