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[Scream-it.com]

Originally Posted by RichA (Lamont)

OK, let me try and get this right.....


Neil Holmes offers a Racing Driver Improvement course, which he has defined and which he feels will improve the ability of a racing driver to drive. You either like him or you dont. Some people swear by him, others at him.

This is not the instruction envisioned by the RYA.

The RYA looks at a course of training and an assessment which determines if you are a safe driver or navigator who can be safe at the event. Things like how to behave at muster, how to start following the start boat, how to behave at turn marks, how to overtake, what to do when retiring from a race etc etc etc. None of that will make you a better race driver or navigator. It will make you a safer driver or navigator, and the club signing you off states that you meet the minimum standard of safety for an event.

To become a better racer with a different technique you go take lessons from someone like Neil Holmes. Currently I think he is the only established person/company who does this race improvement training.

So they are different things - with different intents.


Neil Holmes can give you tips, training and techniques to improve your racing.

A club powerboat training officer (Dave Simpkins?) can sign you off for racing after assessing your competance.

Go away...!

I had a nice day racing until I read this nonsense!

BUT...People in powerboatning UK are really dogged off and I think the RYA needs to get a grip, stop conflicts of interest take control of the situation...

Racers get fed up with people making money out of them , they want well organised racing and less self interest...know what I mean?


I have heard shocking stories today....

There needs to be a common sense approach to racing and not knee jurk reaction. There needs to be structure and there needs to be motivation not barriers!

[Jon Fuller]

I'm no fan of Marc Lamont, but what he said is I believe exactly what the RYA want from their compulsory 'training'. So he has only stated some fairly obvious details. so why is it nonsense?

I don't like the red tape, or any of the other obstacles that seem to be getting in the way of racing, but I guess a minimum level of competence as far as safety on the course goes, won't be a bad thing, after all, there have always been some fairly shocking seamanship moments around racing, often from people who are quite capable/quick in a race situation, but around the start, in the marina etc, etc, can be dreadfull, especially in close quarters boat handling & manouvering.

JMHO

[Captain Chaos]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

blah b;ah blah ....... but what he said is I believe exactly what the RYA want from their compulsory 'training'. So he has only stated some fairly obvious details. so why is it nonsense?

I'm glad you said that, I thought Marc was spot on

[lil devil]

You wouldn't let your 17 year old child get into a car and expect them to trot off down the motorway, parallel park, or manage rush hour in town so why is it such a bad thing having compulsory training to go out in a race boat? Personally I think everyone should have to do some sort of basic course before heading out....especially the rag and stick brigade but that's probably another forum altogether!

[gmc]

Thanks rich g for a good weekends racing 67 with 30 stone in her not bad for a honda boat. I woud have one LOVELY BOATS

[Scream-it.com]

Originally Posted by gmc

Thanks rich g for a good weekends racing 67 with 30 stone in her not bad for a honda boat. I woud have one LOVELY BOATS

No probs Johnny old bean. You were brill and i forgot to let you drive when we went testing. Have a load of charity rides soon so fancy a drive out then?

Great day and as usual a great bunch of enthusiastic people.



Thanks to all the organisers too....

[Foolish]

Originally Posted by Scream-it.com

Great day and as usual a great bunch of enthusiastic people.

And how big was that Trophy ... was good to catch up .. see ya soon

[OCRDA]

Originally Posted by D~OOD

With a Yachtmaster as well, can't he be assessed in the raceboat before racing at the event by a powerboat training officer - like Dave Simpkins?

Yes !! Or Me as I am an approved Training Officer !! If they have a satisfactory CV OR Level 2 then I can train them either at an event prior to racing or Prior to an event by appointment.

And anyway I think we had an excellent weekend in Plymouth !! It was a shame that any potential newcomers were again put off by mis-information !!
But whats new there.

Bob

[DAVE]

Yep...Great weekend racin....great weather...

Thanks to Steve and Roy...good job as always...after a sticky start on saturday it all went really well...

Launch teams and safety crews did good too, hope you didnt get too fried..

see you all at LA in a fortnight.

Dave S

[bigdog v2]

We at V24 like to a big thank you to Bob and is team good raceing and to my
Mark dip strick V24rocks

[Scream-it.com]

Originally Posted by lil devil

You wouldn't let your 17 year old child get into a car and expect them to trot off down the motorway, parallel park, or manage rush hour in town so why is it such a bad thing having compulsory training to go out in a race boat? Personally I think everyone should have to do some sort of basic course before heading out....especially the rag and stick brigade but that's probably another forum altogether!

Quite agree on boat handling skills - especially for drivers but my point is about structure and the experience of those training. OR are we talking about 'attitude' and specific rules of racing?

Is there a syllabus?

The nonsense bit refers to general race training reference specific boats and safety in racing. This can only be gained by allowing people to race. The problem at the moment is the amount of people (especially in circuit racing is diminishing fast and all that seems to happening is that there are more barriers in the way and the cost is rising ???? How does that work. Is this sport not goverened by basic laws of supply and demand or does it think that it can rely on sugar daddies?

Safety is a huge thing now in XCAT following the death last year and in Class 1. The Sheiks have said: 1 more death in Dubai and there will be no racing and ther WPPA have taken fast action in technical terms. They wont like me for poitning this out but they acted quickly and effectively.

Here in circuit racing the costs need to be reduced not increased and rookies need to be kept either behind or on the outside of the line. If they have attitude they will soon get the wroth of the officials in the form of penalties and fines. In Xcat if you take out a buoy it costs 1500 euros if you break any rule there is no protest just a fine! You have to take it on the chin as I said to dear old Phil yesterday and trus the officials to manage the sport...unless of course they are biased and ruled by their leader for commercial reasons (whoops I nearly fell back into Honda!).
A common sense approach. Encouraging people to drive from Looe to take an expensive training session with Neil Holmes is in the world of cheque book racing!!

[Renegade]

Sticking my neck on the line here. But I totally understand that rookies may need some help but I have seen so called seasoned racers who could do with training too. I think anyone racing should be liable for penalties and told to have a training session If their driving is unsatisfactory.

[OCRDA]

Originally Posted by Renegade

Sticking my neck on the line here. But I totally understand that rookies may need some help but I have seen so called seasoned racers who could do with training too. I think anyone racing should be liable for penalties and told to have a training session If their driving is unsatisfactory.

Check out new PB1 !! Plenty of penalties !! Its probably 1min for farting in the pits !!
Yes you are probably right that if say someone gets a Red Card or even too many yellow ones then they may need a retrain.
Unfortunately its a bit like driving a car where you learn and learn until you pass a test and then you learn how to drive !!
And then how do you tell someone that they need training every race because the rules have changed.

Bob

[Renegade]

Fair point bob. Not got a new pb1 for this year but as you say hard to govern things and get some stabillity when rules are changed. Paul.

[cfun]

Was their a better turnout than expected at the weekend and out of interest anyone got the results ... Pic's

[Foolish]

Originally Posted by cfun

Was their a better turnout than expected at the weekend and out of interest anyone got the results ... Pic's

Only the faithfull few attended ...

3C

1st C11 - Ian & Adrian
2nd C13 - Brian & Dave
3rd C9 - Frank & Lee

V24

1st - V3
2nd - V2
3rd - V8

OCR

1st - A29
2nd - A9
3rd - A13

+ A7 / A11 / A19

BASIC

Honda 225 (debra/scream-it)

[DAVE]

Originally Posted by Foolish

Only the faithfull few attended ...

And the ones on crutches...to be fair....

[WightStuff]

Had a great weekends racing, thanks to everyone involved.

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by DAVE

And the ones on crutches...to be fair....

And her little sister's on crutches as well!

Sorry I missed you Dave! Good to catch up with a few familiar faces .........

[cooolaii]

Originally Posted by gmc

Thanks rich g for a good weekends racing 67 with 30 stone in her not bad for a honda boat. I woud have one LOVELY BOATS

Only 67, any of the Bernicos on OCR will do that on a flat race ,

Rich u defo need some RYA training

cooolaii