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Old 31-08-2005, 10:40 PM   #1
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Pre RYA

Who was the governing body of british offshore racing before the RYA got involved?

And then the obvious question is, why can't they be ditched for an organisation more in tune with what the racers want?
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Old 31-08-2005, 10:45 PM   #2
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Old 31-08-2005, 10:51 PM   #3
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I think that's part of the problem! too many people on the organisation side who treat it as a hobby!

I reckon what this sport needs is a paid professional who makes the decisions, cuts through the crap and says how it's gonna be!
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I have looked at that.

It comes down to money. The RYA pay the UIM fees for being the representitives of powerboat racing in the UK.

In the USA, disatisfaction with the governing body resulted in a second, breakaway organisation not under the UIM umbrella.

I think the reason why a breakaway will not happen in th eUK is because this would isolate those racers from the rest of Europe, and most of the rest of Europe ( possible exception of Spain ) are well happy with their national associations.

A breakaway organisation would not work IMO.

Taking over from the RYA as the official UIM representitives in the UK is a possibility, or the possibility of using the European law on monopolistic structures to allow a second UIM representitive in the UK.

Both would cost serious money.
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Old 31-08-2005, 11:06 PM   #5
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I have looked at that.

It comes down to money. The RYA pay the UIM fees for being the representitives of powerboat racing in the UK.

I understand that, but unless we are to believe that the RYA operates at a loss, then surely the monies that they pay are derived from the licence fees!

What i don't understand is why the RYA has to be the governing body, surely if competitors are unhappy with the current situation then now is the time to do something about it.

When I built the first of the Honda boats, we tried as hard as we could to not have any involvement with the RYA, as we felt that they were an unnecessary expense, as well as not really offering anything in return, BUT we got overruled by the then head of Honda Power Products, as he felt the "Royal" of the name was something that the Japs would be impressed with!
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Was gonna say the same to you!

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I understand that, but unless we are to believe that the RYA operates at a loss, then surely the monies that they pay are derived from the licence fees!

What i don't understand is why the RYA has to be the governing body, surely if competitors are unhappy with the current situation then now is the time to do something about it.

When I built the first of the Honda boats, we tried as hard as we could to not have any involvement with the RYA, as we felt that they were an unnecessary expense, as well as not really offering anything in return, BUT we got overruled by the then head of Honda Power Products, as he felt the "Royal" of the name was something that the Japs would be impressed with!
I also looked at a way to get V24 out of the RYA clutches. But there appeared to be no way to do so. There were options of a foreign international licence, but then each event would have to be a European, and there were costs with that.

I dont believe the RYA opperates at a loss.

I do think that the licence should be seperated from insurances etc. - The insurance should be on a race by race basis, and not lumped in with your initial licence. My National licence for Ana and myself set us back shy of £1000. We raced three national events. This runs out at about £300 per race for a licence! So my idea would be a licence fee of around £25 per year. Then each race would have an insurance cost ( Actual cost ) on top of the entry fee. This would definately encorage some of the boats back into racing. There are for example 6 V24's hanging around not racing because they dont want to outlay £1000 for two races! But they would outlay £50 for the licence, and an extra £50 per race for insurance.
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Royal Motorboat Association ?
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Why the Royal bit, I've got several RYA certificates on my wall, all signed by Princess Anne, but I don't recall seeing her standing in the pissing rain at Windermere cheering me on!
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Why the Royal bit, I've got several RYA certificates on my wall, all signed by Princess Anne, but I don't recall seeing her standing in the pissing rain at Windermere cheering me on!
To impress the Japs.
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Why bother forming a new 'club' when there's plenty of existing ones - orda, ukoba, essex hydroplane racing assoc, etc etc
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Why bother forming a new 'club' when there's plenty of existing ones - orda, ukoba, essex hydroplane racing assoc, etc etc
That ain't the problem, thereare plenty of clubs, all doing a superb job of organising events, but in my opinion the problem is the governing body, ie the RYA.
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For UK Offshore Powerboat racing is there any need for either the RYA or the UIM?

In my brave new world we'd have a commercial operation running the physical racing, and apart from basic safety regulations they would not impose any rules or restrictions. There's no reason why finances couldn't be transparent, with accounts published.

It could even be a non-profit organisation, but there probably needs to be a core of professional paid staff (not necessarily full time) supported by volunteers.

This way there could be no question of organisers changing rules to suit different agendas. Class organisations can set any rules and fees that they want within the basic framework, and if they are unpopular then drivers can vote with their feet and switch to a different class (or even set up their own!)
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I think mostpeople would be surprised at how much work the RYA do - and how difficult it would be to set-up a structure to re-place it. I would also imagine that the finances to do so just would not stack-up either.

At the same time there does need to be serious change and costs have got to come down. Basic racing seems to have potential for this. However there are many issues to consider. I believe we need to stay with the RYA - but push as hard as we can for change.

Out of interest - and please be realistic - what do people think is a viable entry fee to compete in a race meeting? Do teams want cranes and security at race meetings? How many races per meeting / weekend?
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