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Old 05-01-2010, 11:35 PM   #61
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You must have missed the sarcastic smiley on the end then ..........

So what is your estimated top speed with the Ring 34 with 6.2l small blocks?
Us old 'uns dont ask for much but we are optimistic that we should see a

"Tad more than 43.955."


Miles per hour , that is

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Old 06-01-2010, 12:30 AM   #62
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Testing with the 300XS has started yesterday
Isn't Cougar for sale? Will new owners takeover P1 deal?
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Old 06-01-2010, 08:19 AM   #63
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Isn't Cougar for sale? Will new owners takeover P1 deal?
Is it true that BPRC are owed £6000 by F4SA Ltd for Cowes 2009 entry?
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:46 AM   #64
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Is it true that BPRC are owed £6000 by F4SA Ltd for Cowes 2009 entry?
Now theres a curved ball if ever there was one,ouch!
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Old 06-01-2010, 09:56 AM   #65
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Now theres a curved ball if ever there was one,ouch!
IS IT TRUE THAT BPRC ARE OWED £6000 FOR THE HONDA ENTRY FOR COWES - due from F4SA Ltd?

I will happily and publicly apologise to F4SA if this is not the case.
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Not the case so humbles excepted.
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Old 06-01-2010, 10:14 AM   #67
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Not the case so humbles excepted.
Then on the basis that BPRC are not owed 6000 or indeed any similarly sizeable figure for the Honda enry into Cowes 2009 I publicly apologise to F4SA ltd!

Glad all the F4SA owings are being settled. That's good news for the industry!

Incidentally TRaveller I have read all your 10 posts in the last two minutes and woul ask if this is the Cougar response? You are clearly 'close' to the organisation.
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Not the case.
Are you certain of that?
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Old 06-01-2010, 02:20 PM   #69
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Are you certain of that?
Quite!

But the real heart of the issue in all of this is that there is serious loyalty to Steve and Co. For he is without doubt hugely successful in racing boats and I would be the first to dishout 1000% respect for this.

I think the time is right for a reality check on the business front though. P1 have bought a series and are currently struggling to get people to commit. They hope to change this at the boatshow in the coming week. P1 are sending out e-mails to undermine Four Nations valiant efforts to continue their series plans with Honda engines and people like BPRC still haven't been paid (in full) by F4SA for a race that took place half a year ago.

All seems to me to be the classic mess where indulgence in self interest is running out of control and the result? A thoroughly split fleet between the Steve and Co supporters and the rest and an embarassed bunch somewhere in the middle.

None of this stuff represents good sportsmanship or is good for the sport. Sadly I apologies to you all for being the one to put my head on the block in raising issues which I believe are simply wrong and often darn right roguish in trading behaviour!

But I only act on facts which I verify first.
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Quite!

But the real heart of the issue in all of this is that there is serious loyalty to Steve and Co. For he is without doubt hugely successful in racing boats and I would be the first to dishout 1000% respect for this.

I think the time is right for a reality check on the business front though. P1 have bought a series and are currently struggling to get people to commit. They hope to change this at the boatshow in the coming week. P1 are sending out e-mails to undermine Four Nations valiant efforts to continue their series plans with Honda engines and people like BPRC still haven't been paid (in full) by F4SA for a race that took place half a year ago.

All seems to me to be the classic mess where indulgence in self interest is running out of control and the result? A thoroughly split fleet between the Steve and Co supporters and the rest and an embarassed bunch somewhere in the middle.

None of this stuff represents good sportsmanship or is good for the sport. Sadly I apologies to you all for being the one to put my head on the block in raising issues which I believe are simply wrong and often darn right roguish in trading behaviour!

But I only act on facts which I verify first.
You have no need to apoligise for anything mate,as you rightly pointed out some posts ago ,it is an open forum and constructive criticism,especially coming from a cougar/honda owner is more than welcome,you well know my feelings on hf4s,i know there many more like you,you keep posting pal,i will always read them
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Is it true that BPRC are owed £6000 by F4SA Ltd for Cowes 2009 entry?
yes they still owe Cowes £9595 and lowestoft and plymouth. hence the sale.
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yes they still owe Cowes £9595 and lowestoft and plymouth. hence the sale.
Are these people for real?Why buy a bag of shite,carry on and form your own
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yes they still owe Cowes £9595 and lowestoft and plymouth. hence the sale.
To be fair, the original statement of just under 6k is correct, not nearly 10k.
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Old 06-01-2010, 03:54 PM   #74
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To be fair, the original statement of just under 6k is correct, not nearly 10k.
Thanks JF. So what is the point of all this? I hope they get paid. A lot of money has gone through Warsash since 2007 whilst a great series has catastrophically collapsed and the then P1 announce they now own the series and you have to buy your Merc through C-Power (now they say you don't) but at the same time Warsash laid off people and then you find Cowes entry fees have not been paid despite Wheeler and Co demanding payment, in full, for entry fees up front before 31st March 09!!!

P1 are now associated with this by default and as I said to one of their Directors yesterday. In no way will I be associated with their organisation, which is using F4SA people and using C Power in the supply chain whilst people like the BPRC are still owed for Cowes 09.

Some lifelong friends have to wake up to the reaility that they are just the latest on the list of people to suffer potential financial loss:

People like BPRC - hopefully you WILL get paid now
And people like me and my Honda friends - customers (after all - remember that concept - the ones who helped you along the way??)who now they simply say "come on an get your cheque book out or you can't play anymore"

Good luck P1 for the King has inherited the earth - but it seems whilst God was getting a tan and probably contemplating the escape hatch!
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if the old honda crew mr wheeler and co still owe money to various places why dont people sue them?!him?!directors whoever to put a stop to this bad press re power racing !its going to look bad when organizers go to various places trying to organize a event and the council or whoever are owed monies from honda etc and the last thing the council will want to do is to let others organize something which could leave them with monies being owed!! not that any of us organizers would !!but we will all get tarred with the same brush!! i know of mr wheller not from honda and would not trust him as far as i throw him !!!
lets hope this can be sorted asap as this could be bad press for powerboat racing around the country !
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if the old honda crew mr wheeler and co still owe money to various places why dont people sue them?!him?!directors whoever to put a stop to this bad press re power racing !its going to look bad when organizers go to various places trying to organize a event and the council or whoever are owed monies from honda etc and the last thing the council will want to do is to let others organize something which could leave them with monies being owed!! not that any of us organizers would !!but we will all get tarred with the same brush!! i know of mr wheller not from honda and would not trust him as far as i throw him !!!
lets hope this can be sorted asap as this could be bad press for powerboat racing around the country !
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People are loyal to them and even old frends are too afraid to speak out. There is also a sense of it'll be a waste of time as this, that or the other company is no longer anyway...

I call it Teflon.

That is why people should speak out and they are in private. I have been told only this evening from a member here of an action served on them but guess what they just issued a rubbery one if what he says is true.

The way to deal with it is to clean it up. Perhaps the RYA should intervene and refuse a licence to operate until such bills as the BPRC are paid - even if the series is taken over by another outfit?

Such issues should be made public and those behind it shamed into action. Does Honda know that their sponsored event (or their bit of it) hasn't been paid for?

Should not the RYA uphold both racing and business standards when it comes to the transactions surrounding events? Because you are right Mike, there is bad feeling at events from failed promises and after all why should it be Honda leaving any trails? It has been one of the best funded series in the World!

I have made mistakes in business and effected people but I sure as hell wouldn't repeat them.That is the disturbing aspect of this.
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Thats ok then.

So in future i can enter an event on a promise
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Thats ok then.

So in future i can enter an event on a promise
My comment about perhaps the RYA setting the standard for transactions? One cannot blame people for trusting as the perception of the strength of an orgaisation's ability to pay. After all with Honda sponsoring why would anyone think there would be an issue with payment?

So no it is not acceptable to enter on a promise of course. I assure you that people are simply a mixture of in awe, loyal or blind to the reality of what is actually going on here.

Push your organisations to clean up the powerboat racing act. Let's put respect in the appropriate places and foster a future of trust, fairness and good sportsmanship.

To me the RYA is the obvious solution. In WPPA rules they have a rule that allows for an application for a change of ruling: then perhaps could not the RYA be a kind of clearing house for both sanction for authorising racing as well as the transaction and venue management of racingnot just the safety and standard commisioners report list I have seen. After all I cannot enter without my licence or event licence so perhaps BPRC could request the block of an F4SA type of organisation until the former has been paid. That event locations could be surveyed about local service levels in a kind of extension to the Commissioners Report? This would ensure attention to local satisfaction for the benefit of future race plans.

Just a thought or two and in no way meant as a criticism of RYA. They should have more control and be the end place of appeals etc. There is no right of appeal to the RYA outside of Honda rules did you know?
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Thats ok then.

So in future i can enter an event on a promise
Believe me, you wouldn't be the first!
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