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Old 26-08-2007, 06:10 PM   #81
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Just seen the results of the P1 race 2 at Cowes.
54 miles is a race? I thought championship races had minimum distances????
54 is NEVER a WC event distance is it?
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Old 26-08-2007, 07:49 PM   #82
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Is for p1 tim. Anymore distance and they couldnt hack it.
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Old 26-08-2007, 07:52 PM   #83
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I want to know how many got lost!! on there epic adventure
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Old 27-08-2007, 10:53 AM   #84
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well having just got back from cowes the boats looked and sounded great, i had some friends on my boat that havent seen powerboat racing before and loved every minute of it
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Old 27-08-2007, 11:48 AM   #85
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I think I would have loved it too, I miss the sport but it isn't Offshore!!! sorry.
But I am very pleased you and your friends had a great time that is most important.........the spectators
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I'll dare to have a view in this again...

Tim & CB1 - I know that P1 isn't exactly 'offshore' and that it is not how racing used to be done and the short distances are nothing on the old racing of x00 miles, that gps is not good and that the speed limit rule is crap etc etc etc etc but P1 in the last 3 years has turned what was a small unsupported class with little sponsorship into a truly worldwide spectacular, yes the farce of friday was very painful to see but the P1 organisers have done a great job at attracting sponsors and huge crowds and interest - yes there are a few problems but surely just let them figure it out - and given by the work they have done so far - they have. Today racing is very different to how it was and spectators and sponsorship are a massive part of it and need to be accommodated - this makes the closed in-shore circuits very important, however, it would be good to see 'proper' offshore raced aswell - maybe have 3 races on a weekend - 1 close inshore race like sunday, one similar to the RTI and a third long distance, open water one. This would probably be slightly unviable but would make a great weekend of racing and satisfy more parties. P1 is a great spectacular and I for one really enjoyed this weekend and judging by others views so did they, so how about focusing on some of the good bits too and not having all the emphasis on the relatively few poorer ones. Anyway just my view feel free to disagree!
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It was indeed an excelent weekend !! Having raced my little Rib round the island and followed by 2 days out marshalling and watching racing in the sun.
Whatever the rules all they need to do is shorten the course a bit !! 3+ mins a lap is a too long !! It is just like the old days of Guernsey,Torbay 100 etc. but without the 20min gap between boats !! seems just another class following the old success of OCR !!

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From what I've seen, the Class One races aren't much longer than the P1 Sunday was. At least they are racing with no fear of a DQ for going to quick though.

We only managed to go to Cowes on Sunday but had a great day out and from the controlled line of spectator boats, loads of others did too.

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Tim,

it is all very well going on about the "good old days" when powerboat racing was at its height, witch is good. but we are not there now, i think that like you said yourself, you may be out of touch, am sure we can take alot from what has happened in the past but we need to rember that today is 2007 not 1950! and to move with the times!
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I think that the class Tim wants P1 to be is Class One Monohull. But it isnt.
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I think that the class Tim wants P1 to be is Class One Monohull. But it isnt.
But does it not make sense as it worked before why can't it work again !!!! or are you just trying to provoke a response tricky ????
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Andy,
I think if you read what "I have writ!!" you will actually see you have not quiet understood my points.
P1 is not nor can not be called offshore
P1 IS NOT RACING nor can it be called racing.
Predicted log perhaps or Time trial or what? you tell me yes these fabulous and inpressive boats are going around a circuit laid out specifically for them.
It can not even be classed as a Rally because that is an amalgamation of fast speed sectors culminating in a winner.
But to call it racing is an insult to your and my intelligence and to the great public who come to watch and event running as a "RACE"
Now, however exciting and fantastic the w/e was at Cowes friday was a farce. The loosers were the spectators, the sponsors and the guys who spend millions to race. That you have to agree is a fact.
I am not and very rarely knock the sort and this is the point you are missing.
What I draw issue with is those who promote something that is not what the say it is!.
I agree with some of what has been said and that is OFFSHORE is boring when like the C/T/C you see the boats for 5 mins then they bugger of for 2 hours and then come back in dribs and dabs.
What I have tried and want to do is to promote a sport that does stay true to its's origin yet cater for all.
I would quickly point out that there was no racing in the '50's!! It started in 1961 and was designed to improve boat design etc, and thanks to that we have boats like the Sunseeker to-day to name but one.
So how can we move forward while keeping to the original premise??
We do need to open the sport up as it was back the by having Class 1 2 etc which will allow "joe Bloggs" with his sunseeker/tremlett/abatte etc to go racing to far off laces but when they depart and you wait for them to return you organise a full program of events to keep up the excitement.
So the "offshore boys" boys roar ff then 20 mins later the first honda race,then a ski race and so on an EVENT.
Allow me to give an example BRISTOL DOCKS, cricuit I know, now the majority came to see the big boys who would race then all the smaller and more often than not the more exciting boats raced then the big boys would come out again.
The sport has to be an EVENT ev F1 cars have support races.
Little Nige mentioned Key West, what he has sid is 100% correct but he left out the fact that although the boats run within feet of the dock and in some cases inches!! they are still doing a big offshore leg or two and on the final days racing the big leg has some horrendous big holes!
Unfortunately, here in the UK we are not lucky enough to have authorities who allow the boats to run close to teh ports and shore line as they can in USA.
Organisers have to organise events and if it is to be called a race let the buggers race, not stop 100yds from the finish and have quick break and wait for the computer to say you can go again. Also to make it work truly efectively then you do really have to ban electronics and go back to charts and a stop watch..............................
Appologies for boring you all
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Old 30-08-2007, 04:25 PM   #93
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P.S. The public/spectators ain't stupid and if you con them then they will stop coming then thats it for the sport and tourism, and with out the £££ going into local town coffers then they won't want us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But does it not make sense as it worked before why can't it work again !!!! or are you just trying to provoke a response tricky ????
Trying to say that P1 dont own the rights to run Class One monohull races. They have the rights to Pleasure Navigation class. So - they have to run to those rules. If they want to run to Class One rules, then they need to get the rights to class one.

They dont, and are unlikely to get them. So - change the ability of the boats to break the rules that govern the pleasure navigation class. Add restrictors to the engines or GPS speed limiters, and then let the boats race.

I would like to have 640Hp in my V24 - But then I can not run in a V24 race, as I no longer fit into the V24 Class Rules. So you have to accept that there are limiting rules in a class, and that the majority of the boats have the capacity to exceed these rule limits, so in the interest of spectacular, add a limiting component so that these boats can race.

Thats all.
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I'm sorry Marc you have just proved my point...........
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Tim - not sure when you last went to Key West but unless it's changed recently, the course is not how it used to be where they used to run outside of the reef and endure some really big seas. (Like the Solent even the course they run these days in KW can be pretty hairy at times - see photo!). The course is pretty much line of site navigating where from each turn mark you can almost see the next - or to put it another way you would be able to see the marker boat up ahead after rounding the last turn. So the course there too is very short, multi-lap.

Jeremy Clarkson was right when he did a slot on Steve Curtis on his show and was out watching a race - he turned to the camera and remarked how spectacular it was - then added that he only had to wait another 20 minutes before it came around again. Ouch.

So - my joy at what appears to be a similar approach to racing both at Key West and Cowes is based on the fact that you get to see the boats frequently and close inshore. I really regret not getting to Cowes this year!!!!!
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I'm sorry Marc you have just proved my point...........
If my post proves your point, why are you sorry?
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Just for the record, in 2005 when I was in Key West for the "Worlds", you could see the boats the whole way round the course, so the course couldn't have been that big?
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I really dont get it?

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There are many classes of raceboats. When you choose to race in a class, you have to fit into those class rules. IF you do not like them, then invent your own rules and run your own class. It has been done before.

What you can not do is race a specific class under the rules of another class.

What is the problem?
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