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Old 12-11-2014, 07:19 PM   #1
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Increased Racing Insurance premiums as a result?

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/new...boat_accident/

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Possibly, and there's still another one pending I'm told.

Wonder if it'll have a knock on effect on all things boat/power, Poker Runs for instance?
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The maib report is pretty damming.
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The maib report is pretty damming.
You are right there. If the following is correct and we have to assume it is, then someone in Race Approvals at the RYA were being - shall we say - lacking in foresight or experience at the possible consequences as 600 meters is far too short before putting in a 90 degree turn in any powerboat race.

"The collision occurred as a "racing fleet" of nine boats was rounding the first marker buoy which involved a 90 degree turn.

The buoy was positioned 600 metres from the start line and, as a result, the boats were still "bunched together" as the tragedy unfolded, Ben's lawyers claimed."

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His choice to race... and his parents to allow him to race.

Any one who races may as well all sue if they have an accident after all there isn't any race courses in any motor sport that is safe.

The nail has just gone that little bit further.
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His choice to race... and his parents to allow him to race.

Any one who races may as well all sue if they have an accident after all there isn't any race courses in any motor sport that is safe.

The nail has just gone that little bit further.
In danger of agreeing with Barry!

As much as we try to improve safety, learn from accidents - it is impossible to make any racing totally safe in my opinion. There will always be a scenario that cannot be covered.

You make a choice to race and you must do so in the knowledge that there is a risk - hopefully a small risk - but one that is there.
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As I understand it racers cannot sue due to the bits of paper that they sign when racing but however that does not stop family or dependents from doing so.
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As I understand it racers cannot sue due to the bits of paper that they sign when racing but however that does not stop family or dependents from doing so.
Exactly.
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i would like to know how other sports get round this problem as the governing body have done all they can to make the racing as safe as they possibly can,what more can they do ?
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The buoy was positioned 600 metres from the start line and, as a result, the boats were still "bunched together" as the tragedy unfolded, Ben's lawyers claimed."[/I
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it would not make any difference how long the start run was,one class racing same boats same engines same speed ,they are still going to get to the first mark at the same time
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As I understand it racers cannot sue due to the bits of paper that they sign when racing but however that does not stop family or dependents from doing so.
Doesn't make sense as a minor his parents must of signed.

Agree with Rhino regarding the 600 meters
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it would not make any difference how long the start run was,one class racing same boats same engines same speed ,they are still going to get to the first mark at the same time
Agreed. These were 12" Sorcerer boats, with 20hp and a crew of two. It was felt at the time that the speed of the boats and the distance to the first mark was safe. With hindsight, this was reviewed to the point that the start run was increased to one mile! This was a race in itself, even before the first mark was reached.

Also, the rules were changed for all classes to ensure that the first turn was "softened" and should not be any tighter than 90. However, we still see courses with a tighter first turn, and less than 600m start run!
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As I understand it racers cannot sue due to the bits of paper that they sign when racing but however that does not stop family or dependents from doing so.
Can we get dependants/ next of kin to sign the disclaimer too?
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Agreed. These were 12" Sorcerer boats, with 20hp and a crew of two. It was felt at the time that the speed of the boats and the distance to the first mark was safe. With hindsight, this was reviewed to the point that the start run was increased to one mile! This was a race in itself, even before the first mark was reached.

Also, the rules were changed for all classes to ensure that the first turn was "softened" and should not be any tighter than 90. However, we still see courses with a tighter first turn, and less than 600m start run!
Standing Start to first (more than 90 deg) mark = 14 seconds
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Standing Start to first (more than 90 deg) mark = 14 seconds
Boats that are designed to handle that kind of use.
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Can we get dependents / next of kin to sign the disclaimer too?
I guess in theory but in practice I doubt whether many people's extended families and dependents come to each and every race.

Also with regards the issue of being a minor and the parents signing previously, I may be wrong but I don't remember the paperwork then being the same as is signed now. The parents may well just have signed a "consent" form which was significantly less specific and inclusive than is now the case.
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Then how about pre season when applying for a race licence?
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Then how about pre season when applying for a race licence?
I guess that it is not only about your dependents but also who you may become dependent upon and that may not be clear until the situation occurs and you have that requirement. Unfortunately I think it would be very difficult to cover off every possible outcome in that manner.

A suggestion may be to ensure that the responsibility for dealing with any (financial) outcome is with the individual who races and that it is for each of those who choose to race to take out the sufficient insurance to cover off any eventuality and have sufficient cover to fit with their individual circumstances.
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Got ya. Wasn't that the idea when we had to take out extra personal insurance in ocr when we realised race insurance was only 3rd party and not driver to driver? ( then the extra insurance was via the rya)

My first season lost the first few races while this was being discussed.
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After the IOW accident the OCRDA committee at the time paid approx 16,000 out of the sponsorship money we got when we launched the Artz series to provide PA cover for all drivers and co-drivers racing that year.

Unfortunately we were only able to do this for one year as the sponsorship was not forthcoming which meant the promotions company that we signed an agreement with went bust. I may be wrong but I think it was also our lobbying that meant that the RYA provided the facility in future years. We certainly promoted it knowing the problems that had been experienced by one of our members.

As mentioned maybe some form of insurance (possibly a bit more than just PA) needs to be compulsory for competitors and also be the first port of call for any claim when race boats do make contact with each other.
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