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Old 28-11-2006, 11:40 AM   #1
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Starting up Class 3 2ltr

Hi,
My dad and I want to start up racing,
Does anyone have the rules and regulations for the 2l (xr2) class
that min/max size boat etc
whats needed
Thanks in advance
Ross
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Old 28-11-2006, 12:00 PM   #2
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Hi,
My dad and I want to start up racing,
Does anyone have the rules and regulations for the 2l (xr2) class
that min/max size boat etc
whats needed
Thanks in advance
Ross
Sorry mate you're a bit out of touch - that class hasn't existed for several years!

Depending on the size of your boat you may be eligible for Offshore Class III 2 litre?
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Sorry mate you're a bit out of touch - that class hasn't existed for several years!

Depending on the size of your boat you may be eligible for Offshore Class III 2 litre?
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What are the rules and regs for the class 3 then? i was thinking the same class as Ian
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What are the rules and regs for the class 3 then? i was thinking the same class as Ian
If it's the Phantom 20 you're thinking of it's a bit too small - in fact the 21 only just fits! Basically any boat subject to a minimum length and weight - tell us what you've got and I'll tell you if it'll fit! There are other rules such as the cube rule, but that's to stop the crazies! You'll also need to have the boat measured and some safety equipment as well - email or call if you want some help with getting started - happy to help! 01548 856078 is the Office number!
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welcome to the fold...
if you can grab an in date (if such a thing exists) copy of pb1 normally available from all good bookshops near you but cookee a good bloke to talk to (just set a time limit on the call!!!)
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Cheers for ya help guys, Cookee you have email
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Cheers for ya help guys, Cookee you have email
Reply this afternoon - if it's ok I might post the reply so that everyone can read it!

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Here is some of the email I sent to Puppies Balls for anyone else who might be interested!
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Derek Basham and I raced OCR in "A" class - that doesn't exist anymore as a 2 litre class - it is mainly 140hp Yamahas with the odd Tohatsu and an Evinrude thrown in. Derek and I also raced once in Jersey in Offshore 2000, but that was with special dispensation from the organisers! Class III 2 litre is something different altogether!

Competitive Class III hulls ....... well batboats have won National, Euro, and World champs for a while, but Cats are making a big comeback in this country recently. Having said that Ian Sterling did very well in a Phantom 21 in the rough, but he was lapped in the flattest races! If you can get a 22 - 24' mono into the high seventies and handle choppier conditions you stand a good chance, but the cats will blow you away in the right conditions.

Cube rule: A cube of a certain size has to fit inside the boat - it's to stop people making a thing that's flat and unseaworthy!

PB1 - the RYA rule book shows you how to measure the boat properly for minimum length, but it's basically tip of the nose to the transom less the notch. (this is worth checking!)

Our race boat weighed in at 950kg with an XR2 ready to race with all the safety equipment The BananaShark is 380kg out of the mould without tubes.

XR2's are being phased out as they are no longer made, but then again it has just been anounced that XS200 are
also being phased out - so I have no idea what will be the next engine! They are running together, but I would
check to see how long they are eligible for in the UK - not sure if you can run them in Europe or not anymore?

No tuning is allowed on the XR2, but blueprinting is allowed. XS200's have to be as they came out of the factory!

I think that answers your questions!

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I think that covers your questions!

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i would advise you to go out and do some basics first to get a feel for racing, its a tad different to just blasting about and being able to stop or slow down whenever you feel like it! its not as easy as it looks especially when it chops up a bit!
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We encourage any new comers into Class 3 2ltr, so any help or any advice whatever send me a PM and i will see what i can do? I am currently racing in 2ltr with my Dad as well and yes it is not easy, but it not something that you cannot learn and become good at.. Look forward to seeing you out next year!!

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Agree wholeheartedly with Gav - in leisure use the longest you go really flat out for sometimes wouldn't get you to the end of the start run! Class III used to go 12 -13 miles offshore at Ramsgate, and whist the courses are shorter and closer in, the race distances are pretty much the same - often around 70 miles! That means over an hour or 1 3/4 if it's rough, and if it's Ramsgate probably rougher than you would usually go out in, but with lots of people there to tow you in if there's a problem, people to race against and the adrenalin, once you've done one race you'll get withdrawal symptoms until the next one!
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Class III used to go 12 -13 miles offshore at Ramsgate,

what the hell do you mean used to they still chuffin do with paul navigating, picked up some cheap duty free tho!!
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What are the rules and regs for the class 3 then? i was thinking the same class as Ian
Ross, racing is like a drug, as Cookee says, once you start you get hooked. We came into class 3 last year and I can honestly say we have enjoyed every minute of it. We entered with the Phantom to try and encourage more people into the sport by showing that you can still have a great deal of fun without having to buy an expensive raceboat. As Gav has said you need to get a couple of basic races under your belt to get a feel of what it is like because as it has already been pointed out, it aint nothing like going out testing on your own!!
The Phantom is still a great boat in the right conditions, but dont expect to be anywhere in the flat cos you will be lapped by the B23`s and the cats. Alistair who has bought my old girl is really looking forward to having a go next year and I will be going out testing with him through the winter. You could do a couple of basic races with your P20 but it is too short for class 3 2litre.
If you need any more info then send me a PM and I will offer any help I can.
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puppies balls you need to speak to neil holmes at phantom evolution he has trained loads of champions runs fantastic driver training school in southampton from drivers wharf
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[QUOTE=Andy Edwards;96420]puppies balls you need to speak to neil holmes at phantom evolution he has trained loads of champions

anyone recent?????
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puppies balls you need to speak to neil holmes at phantom evolution he has trained loads of champions

anyone recent?????
Jackie Hunt, Shelly Jory and Gareth Williams that I know of, could be more, also trained Mark Pascoe,
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Jackie Hunt, Shelly Jory and Gareth Williams that I know of, could be more, also trained Mark Pascoe,
we've trained Will, AJ, Frank so if you want to start gently let us know
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Jackie Hunt, Shelly Jory and Gareth Williams that I know of, could be more, also trained Mark Pascoe,
Hmmmmn. Would be better advertizing to say Jackie Hunt and Gareth Williams, and leave it there....
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