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17-02-2012, 09:24 PM
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Suspension/Side impact etc...
Hi all,
Could anyone tell me if there has been any official RYA communication to all clubs and racers regarding this? As far as I'm aware, since it all happened last year everything that is known generally is through the grapevine from those present at RYA meetings or information gained by club reps taking it upon themselves to contact the RYA and question.
I'm concerned about the damage that could be done by a lack of information, how has the current situation left everyone (racers and organisers) feeling? I for one struggle to keep up with the situation at the moment and am left feeling very disconnected.
Lets not turn this into a mud slinging fest please, I just want to get an idea of the situation and confirm if my thoughts regarding info are correct.
Thanks, James
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18-02-2012, 09:40 AM
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According to World of Powerboats the suspension is lifted, and he got that from the RYA at the awards do, I guess that's as official as it gets for now!
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18-02-2012, 12:06 PM
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Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I found out through pestering John and was told an announcement was to be made ASAP, that was at the start of Jan.
I think it's appalling that there has been no official communication at all from the RYA, especially as the season it affects starts in 2 months! (for us at least!)
I'm glad as a racer I know what is going on, I feel really sorry for everyone not lucky enough to be 'in the know' and it's putting enormous pressure on the clubs as we're getting questioned all the time by our members.
If it were not for here and the general grapevine no one would have the slightest clue what is going on.
James
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18-02-2012, 12:48 PM
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I take it going to ORC meetings dont keep you in the loop then?
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18-02-2012, 09:00 PM
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ORC meets aren't the way they used to be any more.
In all fairness, the old committee was useless as far as making a decision was concerned, the new one is far more streamlined.
The new ORC consists of a group picked by the RYA and club delegtes are invited to attend if deemed necessary. I attended the November one to put forward our Handicap system for 2012 along with Barrie Williams, we were allowed in for an hour to put our bit across.
The major advantage the old ORC had (for me at least) is that it kept me in touch with what was going on, in touch with the other clubs, and helped me feel that we had a say. Now that is gone, I don't have much of a clue what is going on other than what I have gained from calling John directly, hence my concern about the lack of any official communication.
James
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20-02-2012, 05:05 PM
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Orc
James,
There will very shortly be an RYA newsletter explaining any small rule changes. As you know its taken loads of time, but hopefully it will be right. Otherwise its business as usual.
I hope that you have a really good season of racing in Guernsey.
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20-02-2012, 08:19 PM
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pennpromo,do you call putting canopys on class3 boats a small rule change?
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20-02-2012, 09:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennpromo
James,
There will very shortly be an RYA newsletter explaining any small rule changes. As you know its taken loads of time, but hopefully it will be right. Otherwise its business as usual.
I hope that you have a really good season of racing in Guernsey.
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I really appreciate the work you're doing with the ORC Simon, please don't think that I'm having a dig at you or anyone else on the ORC for that matter.
I'm just fed up that I've been told so many times that things are 'just about to happen' that I've given up hope now.
I can't find evidence of a single piece of official communication to the racing community about this situation either from when it started or more recently since it has been resolved and I've gotta admit, I think that's pretty poor.
As Rhino has pointed out, there's some pretty major changes going on. Aside from that, with no communicaion how are others not 'in the know' supposed to know if there are major changes or not? All that results are rumors and scaremongering causing confusion which puts off those interested in racing.
Likewise, it's only a couple of months until the first races, race approvals have to be in asap, yet we still don't have a PB1 for 2012. Last year we had to write a large amount of our approvals from the 2010 PB1 for this reason, then had to re-write many when it finally came out. It was a nightmare!
It's looking like we're going to have a great season in Guernsey! Still hoping to have Marathon over in the next few years! I just feel as though we're fighting to do it at the moment rather than being helped by the RYA.
All the best and good luck with your season!
James
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20-02-2012, 10:29 PM
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better not change rules as just finished my boat ,was told there wast gana be any change in 3b
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21-02-2012, 08:48 AM
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No boat changes in 3B.
3C; we had absolutely no option but to get in line with the UIM, who have advocated its a canopy class for the past 3 or so years.
Anyone who actually races 3C will know that it had to happen.
You can still race in the Club championship with any old open 3C boat in the F2 class of up to 200HP.
Larby, very much take all your points on board, problem is of course that to get this right takes time, we inherited all sorts of delayed decisions etc that had to be cleared up. We all have day jobs too!
You should all get a newsletter very soon from the RYA that will hopefully clear up any misconceptions.
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21-02-2012, 08:54 AM
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You can also run any open 3c boats in OCR C Class if we decide to put any events on !!
Any of you wishing to race in any class this coming season please drop me an email or pm with your intentions.
Bob
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21-02-2012, 10:52 AM
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pennpromo,i disagree with your decision re canopys,saying you had no option,last year we had a 21 phantom in class 3 nationals,which did not measure by uim rules,and we were told at orc,which i was sitting on,that we can have our own national rules,similar to scandinavia having low water pickups for their national series.There is still no statistics to say canopys are safer,it is only italys decision saying they look better.
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21-02-2012, 11:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pennpromo
You can still race in the Club championship with any old open 3C boat in the F2 class of up to 200HP.
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Just out of interest, why is it deemed safe enough to race C class boat 'x' under one set of rules, but not safe enough to race the very same boat/engine/cockpit under another set?
Or is the 'actual safety' not the point?
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21-02-2012, 11:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RHINO
pennpromo,i disagree with your decision re canopys,saying you had no option,last year we had a 21 phantom in class 3 nationals,which did not measure by uim rules,and we were told at orc,which i was sitting on,that we can have our own national rules,similar to scandinavia having low water pickups for their national series.There is still no statistics to say canopys are safer,it is only italys decision saying they look better.
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Rhino, with the issues that we as a sport had with various official bodies last year the sport had no option but to fall in line with accepted world standards, even though some may believe that these are not correct. You are quite correct when you say that we can have our own rules, but where these may appear to compromise safety we don't have too many options. PM me with your number should you wish to discuss more.
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21-02-2012, 11:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Just out of interest, why is it deemed safe enough to race C class boat 'x' under one set of rules, but not safe enough to race the very same boat/engine/cockpit under another set?
Or is the 'actual safety' not the point?
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Jon, it was felt, rightly or wrongly that in a club race the level of competition may be lower than a National. Also officials are more likely to curtail or not race a club rather than a National. Bit like racing historic Formula 1 cars, they don't have the safety kit that the modern ones have but you can still race them in club type championships, speeds are by necessity much lower and its all just that bit less competitive.
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21-02-2012, 11:08 AM
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Quote:
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21-02-2012, 11:10 AM
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So the less experienced, hot headed club racer is less likely to stuff, or wind up the wrong way up...Logical.
Not trying to throw fuel on here, but it does seem a bit bonkers..... like allowing/encouraging 125mph marathon boats, with no safety cover.
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21-02-2012, 11:32 AM
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It does seem ludicrous to me that we can have Mannefelt 23s with 200xs' race over here, yet if the boys want to 'step up' they'd have to fit canopies... The boats are still capable of the same speeds, maybe even higher with the lack of weight!
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21-02-2012, 07:39 PM
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And as if by magic...
Going back on track, I'm extremely glad to see Simon stuck to his word (not sure he'll fit in at the RYA!) and has produced a fantastic Powerboat Newsletter.
I'd suggest everyone has a good read of the attached, it confirms everything relevent to this year's racing.
Well done Simon, good to have some proper communication for once, keep it up!!
James
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21-02-2012, 07:47 PM
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so after all that!!! thats it!!? do we apply to the rya for the technical drawings?
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