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30-03-2011, 01:58 PM
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UIM C3 canopy question
Hello all, i have a few things i would like to ask regarding this.
Can you run side by side boats anymore? as f16 canopies are tandem?
If you have say a p23/25 you can not race it as it can not have a canopy fitted with out major work?
So therefore do all C3 boats have to be tandem?
or are there some rules for production/ ski boats?
I do understand that for racing you need a boat that needs to be competitive this is just hypothetical.
Cheers
Paul
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30-03-2011, 02:19 PM
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Canopies have not as yet been mandated but if or when they do will only be for International !!
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30-03-2011, 02:44 PM
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Ah cheers Bob, so in theory, in the UK we still run to UIM in class 3 so you would need them but for a national series only such as powerboat 2011 you can/ will still be able to run un canopied boats?.
so to cut a long story short, if you are NOT going to run INTERNATIONAL you dont need a canopy if/when it has been mandated?
Paul
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30-03-2011, 02:51 PM
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Close !! In UK we continue to run under RYA PB1 !!
UIM (as far as I am aware) have not passed any Canopy rules for 3c as yet!!
For Powerboat 2011 classes are just open and categorised by the type of entries recieved !!
Hope this makes some sense !!
Bob
PS Are you coming to play ??
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30-03-2011, 02:56 PM
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Yep, clear as mud, just kidding, it's just i was talking to someone regarding it and there seemed to be some concerns over it so i thought i'd post, i hope it helps others with concerns too.
I have no plans to come out to play this year as i work weekends through the summer and i've not really got the interest in racing anymore.
thanks all the same and good luck with PB2011.
I think the exclamation mark button on your keyboard is stuck in.
see ya around
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30-03-2011, 03:00 PM
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I think the exclamation mark button on your keyboard is stuck in.
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Its just my favorite button !!!!
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30-03-2011, 03:05 PM
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UIM president Chiulli chocked everyone at UIM council meeting a couple of weeks ago where he demanded canopy in 3C to be mandatory from world championship in Sweden this summer an onwards.
On a national level I think it is the National Authority (in your case RYA) that decides.
The problem with Chiullis decision is that there does not seem to be any support in UIM statutes and by-laws. It is a thriller.
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30-03-2011, 03:08 PM
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So what if you had a side by side boat for international, how would this work regarding a canopy, for example mick archers old B28, i cant see how you would put an approved canopy on that?
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30-03-2011, 04:49 PM
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Quote:
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So what if you had a side by side boat for international, how would this work regarding a canopy, for example mick archers old B28, i cant see how you would put an approved canopy on that?
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Mick Archers B28 was tandem.
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30-03-2011, 04:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade
So what if you had a side by side boat for international, how would this work regarding a canopy, for example mick archers old B28, i cant see how you would put an approved canopy on that?
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At the moment there is no spec for offshore canopies (this is what they are working on) but there is nothing to stop a side by side configuration having a Canopy !!
Its even been done in F1 Circuit Cat to UIM 509 Spec !!
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30-03-2011, 05:44 PM
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There are absolutely rules regarding canopies in 3C. Last weekend UIM safety boss Bob Wartinger was in Sweden discussing guidelines and design criterias to clarify the rules. Section 508 of the UIM rule book regards canopies in offshore racing.
There is nothing in the rules that says you can't run side by side or tandem. It is up to the builder to decide. But the design and construction of the canopy has to be approved of UIM or RYA.
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30-03-2011, 07:40 PM
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Mick Archers B28 was tandem.
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Beg pardon, it was, i am sure i have seen a b28 tandem but that may have been modded in that case.
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30-03-2011, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jonp
There are absolutely rules regarding canopies in 3C. Last weekend UIM safety boss Bob Wartinger was in Sweden discussing guidelines and design criterias to clarify the rules. Section 508 of the UIM rule book regards canopies in offshore racing.
There is nothing in the rules that says you can't run side by side or tandem. It is up to the builder to decide. But the design and construction of the canopy has to be approved of UIM or RYA.
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Aha, Is that how the V24's came to be?
Many thanks for all the answers guys.
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30-03-2011, 09:34 PM
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Aha, Is that how the V24's came to be?
Many thanks for all the answers guys.
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The V24 canopy was designed by Ocke Mannerfelt and the engineering was done by people at KTH Royal Institue of Technology in Stockholm Sweden.
In last weekends meetings the V24 canopy was judged as kind of benchmark in the discussion.
The only layout of canopy that is not approved is two separate canopies on catamarans located in each hull (pontoon? Please excuse my bad english).
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30-03-2011, 10:14 PM
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So basically a few scandinavians + Bob W decided for the rest of Europe about the cockpits after Rafael C. decided there had to be cockpits in 3C this year.
On very little notice of course. Frankly I can understand why so many stop racing...
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30-03-2011, 11:11 PM
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Quote:
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So basically a few scandinavians + Bob W decided for the rest of Europe about the cockpits after Rafael C. decided there had to be cockpits in 3C this year.
On very little notice of course. Frankly I can understand why so many stop racing...
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No no no.... nothing has been decided!!!!! The meetings in Sweden and norway clearly stated that no new rules to be set. Only to clarify the rules and create guidelines to simplify the interpretation of the rules.
I think everyone have reacted the way you do regarding Chiullis decision.
I'm personally in favor of canopy but I think the way the decision was taken by Mr. Chiulli is absolutely wrong.
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31-03-2011, 11:01 AM
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Well when you see Bob's interview on F2boat, I understand it's mandatory for this year :
http://frodesblog.com/a-little-3c-update/
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31-03-2011, 02:03 PM
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I didn't really pay that much attention, but i thought the ole bloke said the guidlines will be in place in 2 weeks time, to be implemented in 2012.
It wouldn't give a lot of time to build a compliant boat for this season.
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At the end of the comments:
Frodesblog.com
March 30, 2011 at 12:14 pm
effective this year.
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01-04-2011, 08:02 AM
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If you go back to the uim rules about 2005 all boats 2lt and above was going to have to have canopies by 2008 and most people put a stop to it it's wrong how they just change the rules at the last min no surprise no one is racing
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