UKOBA South Coast Marathon

[Jon Fuller]

I thought the saying was "A fool and his money are easily parted"

[Pash 1]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

I thought the saying was "A fool and his money are easily parted"

I would not know jon....
Anyway Jon are you and the "Swipes Team" In for the Race?

[Captain Chaos]

Martin, Stewart and I have always intended to do the weymouth race this year. However, As I'm sure you'll understand we are currently locked in a mad rush to try and get the boat to cowes. If you are looking for expressions of interest, then we are interested. The likelyhood is, we wont confirm until post cowes ......... i.e if it works!

[Pash 1]

Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

Martin, Stewart and I have always intended to do the weymouth race this year. However, As I'm sure you'll understand we are currently locked in a mad rush to try and get the boat to cowes. If you are looking for expressions of interest, then we are interested. The likelyhood is, we wont confirm until post cowes ......... i.e if it works!

LOL I know what you mean, Good luck with getting the boat ready, I know its a task and a million. See you at Cowes. And Thanks

Martin

[blind dog]

yeah we are in the same situation,if the boat is ok after cowes then we are in ,maybe in two boats

[Pash 1]

Originally Posted by blind dog

yeah we are in the same situation,if the boat is ok after cowes then we are in ,maybe in two boats

Thanks Scott

[Captain Chaos]

Originally Posted by Pash 1

See you at Cowes.

[Pash 1]

Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

Cheers Lawrence means a lot

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by Pash 1

Jon are you and the "Swipes Team" In for the Race?

I honestly don't know, it's Nicks call.

As we didn't finish in Harwich, we're not exactly chasing points for the national championship, not enough races for those games, so it isn't imperative to take part in September.

I know that there will be an element of unhappiness that yet again, entry fees are flat across the board (E to A) as Nick (and I) don't like the bottom (entry level) classes subsidising the big boys.
As I say, It's Nick's call at the end of the day if we race, not mine.

[Captain Chaos]

yeh, if I'm honest; the flat rate fees did seem a bit odd. I'm sure there musty be good reason.

[Pash 1]

Jon, In a way I agree with you, but the mooring fees are the same no matter what class, the scrunineers fees are the same, the RYA Calendar fee is the same, The Marshals costs are the same, the trophy costs are the same, the launching fees (If applicable) are the same, The RYA Commissioners costs are the same, as is the Officer of the Day, Assistant OOD, Safety Officer, Assistant SO, Race Secretary, Chief Scrutineer, and assistant Scrutineer, Start Boat, Safety Boat 1 & 2 (as we dont want safety cover on the ability to pay after all we are not all capitalists), etc etc. They don’t discriminate between Classes and to be honest neither should we, I would hate it if an accident would happen only to hear that “they are a Class "E" boat" sinking at the start so we will send a slower rescue boat based on the ability to pay! as we are all trying to avoid "Cheque Book Racing"

After all is said and done as I’m sure you know (Having been involved in many races and bourn you share of the costs) the expenditure is split on an equal basis and to be honest I think in the current climate (Not just financial) I think its fair...

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

I honestly don't know, it's Nicks call.

As we didn't finish in Harwich, we're not exactly chasing points for the national championship, not enough races for those games, so it isn't imperative.

I know that there will be an element of unhappiness that yet again, entry fees are flat across the board (E to A) as Nick (and I) don't like the bottom (entry level) classes subsidising the big boys.
As I say, It's Nicks call if we race, not mine.

[Pash 1]

But it would be a shame if the "Swipes Team" were not there as you guys are an integral part of Marathon Racing

[Captain Chaos]

.......... from above

yeh, if I'm honest; the flat rate fees did seem a bit odd.

I'm sure there must be good reason, but a little differentation for classes as such (for ex) d,e,g,then perhaps c, C sport & B ........ and finally A

or actually, I quite like the idea (I appreciate its not his own) that Vee suggested on sunday, post the PR. Set entry fees per horsepower.

40 or 50 pence per HP would make reasonable sense.

Swipes would be IRO £240-£300
Warlord would be IRO £200-£250

and by contrast

Vee's Phantom would be £560-700

so it would average out ................ just a thought Martin!

[Pash 1]

Fair comment but the costs dont split that way..
And after all is said and done (in the words of he who is in charge) a lot more is said than done. I dont see many people coming forward to organise races - put their hand in their own pockets (Save only Barrie and Sheena) so until more people step up to the plate and stop talking and start organising thats the way it is.
WE NEED MORE NEW FACES COMING FORWARD and getting involved - to make the change that WE all want.. Just IMHO

Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

.......... from above

yeh, if I'm honest; the flat rate fees did seem a bit odd.

I'm sure there must be good reason, but a little differentation for classes as such (for ex) d,e,g,then perhaps c, C sport & B ........ and finally A

or actually, I quite like the idea (I appreciate its not his own) that Vee suggested on sunday, post the PR. Set entry fees per horsepower.

40 or 50 pence per HP would make reasonable sense.

Swipes would be IRO £240-£300
Warlord would be IRO £200-£250

and by contrast

Vee's Phantom would be £560-700

so it would average out ................ just a thought Martin!

[Jon Fuller]

Well, implementation of flat rate entry across the classes is something I saw for the first time (ever, in my memory) at the needles trophy last year.

Historically, a guy with a 16' ring / 90 yam worth 3k has never been expected to contribute the same amount into the 'pot' as the class one boys with 500k boats.
So you may believe in what you're saying, but I don't, and it's a new practice I believe to be flawed.

Think of it this way. If the fleet increases, particularly in the lower classes (likely) you'll end up with all the poor folk that can only afford cheaper type race boats, subsidising the likes of Buzzi, Bohinc, Hendricks, Langdon and Gibbs, who 'choose' to run boats that burn thousands of $$ per race in fuel alone. if you don't think that will piss people off, fine.

As I'm an old stick in the mud, I might well be wrong, time will tell I suppose

Vee's idea, @ 50p per hp is excellent. very fair and even divides within classes, not just between them. you choose a shed load of power, you pay accordingly. He aint as silly as he looks!

Might stop people exaggerating / lying about their hp too!

[Captain Chaos]

Martin, I wasnt being critical at all. It just happened to be something that came up whilst chatting with Vee on Sunday. I thought it could work. And may actually be a way of enticing those less wealthy of us to come out

[Pash 1]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Well, implementation of flat rate entry across the classes is something I saw for the first time (ever) at the needles trophy last year.

Historically, a guy with a 16' ring / 90 yam worth 3k has never been expected to contribute the same amount into the 'pot' as the class one boys with 500k boats.
So you may believe in what you're saying, but I don't, and it's a new practice I believe to be flawed.

Think of it this way. If the fleet increases, particularly in the lower classes (likely) you'll end up with all the poor folk that can only afford cheaper type race boats, subsidising the likes of Buzzi, Bohinc, Hendricks and Gibbs, who 'choose' to run boats that burn thousands of $$ per race in fuel alone. if you don't think that will piss people off, fine.

As I'm an old stick in the mud, I might well be wrong, time will tell I suppose

think you are confusing Series and Classes Jon, A 16 foot ring worth in your words (3K) would not be in the same race as Vees Phantom (Worth Circa £100K (Hope im right V)) or for that matter "Swipes" who are both Marathon Boats, and a 16 foot ring would not pass the UIM Measurement Certificate let alone hold enough fuel to compete in a marathon race.

If as I hope the Fleet does increase, the Number of boats racing in different series will only be beneficial to ALL RACERS. On your particular point I can remember a post "(Ages ago from someone) that "if you cant afford to race then you shouldn’t be racing at all!"

There does in my mind need to be some disparity between horsepower, but, when you are Just about to write a cheque out from your own account for mooring fees before ANY RACER HAS EVEN BOTHERED TO FILL IN AN ENTRY FORM, it does make you wonder if it's all worth it.. Again JMHO

Perhaps you should try it Jon - It certainly concentrates the Mind..

Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

Martin, I wasnt being critical at all. It just happened to be something that came up whilst chatting with Vee on Sunday. I thought it could work. And may actually be a way of enticing those less wealthy of us to come out

I totally agree but it will take time to implement Chaos

[Ciao]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Well, implementation of flat rate entry across the classes is something I saw for the first time (ever, in my memory) at the needles trophy last year.

Historically, a guy with a 16' ring / 90 yam worth 3k has never been expected to contribute the same amount into the 'pot' as the class one boys with 500k boats.
So you may believe in what you're saying, but I don't, and it's a new practice I believe to be flawed.

Think of it this way. If the fleet increases, particularly in the lower classes (likely) you'll end up with all the poor folk that can only afford cheaper type race boats, subsidising the likes of Buzzi, Bohinc, Hendricks, Langdon and Gibbs, who 'choose' to run boats that burn thousands of $$ per race in fuel alone. if you don't think that will piss people off, fine.

As I'm an old stick in the mud, I might well be wrong, time will tell I suppose

Vee's idea, @ 50p per hp is excellent. very fair and even divides within classes, not just between them. you choose a shed load of power, you pay accordingly. He aint as silly as he looks!

Might stop people exaggerating / lying about their hp too!

For Cowes this year I asked Fuller & Lloyd for their ideas for entry fees.

No complaints so far.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by Pash 1

On your particular point I can remember a post "(Ages ago from someone) that "if you cant afford to race then you shouldn’t be racing at all!"

Correct, and if all classes equally bear the cost, there will be plenty who can't. QED

[Pash 1]

Look Chaps,
I am just a Guy who is trying (Against All Odds) to Organise a Race for Marathon Boats, I may not be perfect, I may not get it right, But I am passionate about this race, IT WILL GO AHEAD, and hopefully it will be fun for all concerned.

I Don’t want to get involved in Politics regarding Cost/Value, This start Venue or that, This Course or That, ETC ETC ETC

I Have only Had TWO OFFERS OF HELP regarding this Race and those were from Barrie and Sheena Williams - and when you consider what they have endured in the past year that is a monumental gesture of assistance.

So Chaps - Cut me Some Slack, it may be different next year... but just Allow me to try "Please"