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Old 22-08-2010, 11:45 AM   #81
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who is the senior safety officer
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Old 22-08-2010, 03:13 PM   #82
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The "Senior Safety Officer" is frankly a pain in the back side and I suggest not a real friend to the sport. He didn't want the RB08 fleet to run down the Solent, he didn't want the fleet to run close to Portland Bill, he didn't like the long run upto Bangor (far too dangerous) and suggested that Lord Beaverbrook was talking out of his backside and so was I and we were not qualified to comment on "Safety Aspects" and so on.

As for having to use "Tracking Units" in the CTC and the South Coast Marathon, well, I'm speechless! Some of the old racers will be turning in their graves. They managed to run the CTC for 49 years without them, so what's changed?
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Mike, that SSO saved your arse on many occasions in the RB08. He got your courses agreed with Harbour Masters who would no longer deal with you. He worked tirelessly on the event for over a year before the race started - he was a major contributor to its success! In no way does he deserve your wrath.

What's changed? As Safety Co-ordinator for 16 years of CTC, I got large numbers of boats (and planes) doing safety cover over the whole course. One year, there were 104 in total! Then a raceboat driven by a semi-conscious crew hit a yacht in the Solent. Risk Assessments came into play big time. THAT's what's changed!
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Old 22-08-2010, 03:24 PM   #83
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love the way people dont name people,the inner circle of powerboat racing is alive and well
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Old 22-08-2010, 03:38 PM   #84
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I don't want to get in to need/no need with trackers....... but there is one thing that was great in RB08...... Thousands of people were following the race at home/schools etc.....

With the internet and the Marathon class getting boats back offshore, they make a great way to view the race

For RB11 Trackers have been proposed, RB11 have found this to be cost effective because it minimises Travel/Hotel cost with a reduced requirement for safety officials.

Also will help us to prove that we avoid exclusion zones..... keeping all other parties calm & onboard
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Old 22-08-2010, 04:57 PM   #85
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With the internet and the Marathon class getting boats back offshore, they make a great way to view the race
Can't disagree with that.
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Old 22-08-2010, 05:11 PM   #86
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Can't disagree with that.
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Old 22-08-2010, 05:15 PM   #87
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I don't want to get in to need/no need with trackers....... but there is one thing that was great in RB08...... Thousands of people were following the race at home/schools etc.....

With the internet and the Marathon class getting boats back offshore, they make a great way to view the race

For RB11 Trackers have been proposed, RB11 have found this to be cost effective because it minimises Travel/Hotel cost with a reduced requirement for safety officials.

Also will help us to prove that we avoid exclusion zones..... keeping all other parties calm & onboard
Yep!all valid points,much as I like to see the navigators tested.A real sense of achievement in bad conditions without GPS etc,as days long gone.

`Old Man` is just passionate about making the sport more spectator friendly,against the tide of every misdemeanour logged against the sport.

It`s almost like the Lloyds Shipping Rules,where every offence has the effect of making the rule book even thicker.An engine bilge pump fails,so next time we`ll fit two,and if that fails we`ll fit three.Forget the reason why it failed in the first place.

Give it a few more years,and every piece of coastline will have exclusion zones,rolling starts will be 3 miles offshore,QHM and his jobsworth mates will have justified their retirement posts, and tracker companies will be rubbing their hands.
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Old 22-08-2010, 05:17 PM   #88
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I agree with you Dean.

My brother in law has just done the Mongol Rally in a little Suzuki van and we tracked him the whole way.......we all felt involved with his adventure and he was safe!

The same applies to marathon racing, during the RB08 I could track my boat being towed round britain! We are still waiting for the Eddie Stobart Trophy to be presented!
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Not really - that is a VHF based system taking data from the ships on board GPS etc and transmitting it on a VHF channel to anyone in range - the map you use in your example is drawn from data taken from a number of fixed VHF antenna. The trackers for racing are standalone units although I'm not sure how they transmit the data - either GSM or satellite I believe?
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Just trying to pack the black tie, the umbrella and the race nickers for CTC.
Will leave tomorrow afternoon, but wife, two kids and sister in law make us 'race' wifes Range Rover. ( no fun car this time...)
Well, the trackers. When we sank in RB08 I spent some valueable time on the VHF giving our position. The tracker then was not that fast but it recorded well for proof to our insurance at least (they paid in full due to doods correct incident report and the tracker datas proof).
At the Round Ireland many people were following in the internet and if I see some of the senior members showing their kids impressions of powerboatracing, then my kids and their generation are following on their smart phones and will keep that impression.

It might be possible on RB11 to have on board WebCams showing live progress in batches.
Much cheaper then the helicopter and unfortunately in UK very common sense.
As far as we are told on the Continent one can't walk on Londons streets without being filmed permanently.
So if in our 'Brave new world' 'Big Brothers' always watching, why won't it make Powerboatracing more popular??

Trackers are cheap today, please open your minds and go ahead and plan the next step.

If the 6m display in the haven works, you will notice the difference.
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Old 22-08-2010, 08:26 PM   #91
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love the way people dont name people,the inner circle of powerboat racing is alive and well
Not really a secret as it's all a matter of record but here you go:

The senior safety officer - Richard Salaman

Semi conscious crew - Tony Dowley, Chris Peeters. Fuller's Logistics/Thunderbird, Cowes 2003
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...Further to that, I spoke to Tony Dowley after the race and though friendly enough, he was fairly reluctant to give-out much information. He'd been advised "to not say too much" (presumably as a precaution and to avoid pre-judging any further investigation / enquiry)

The reason Chris Peeters became semi-conscious was due carbon monoxide from a cracked exhaust manifold... Sitting in tandem in that boat (Tony, as throttleman, was behind and higher-up) Chris was lower and therefore was affected first.

Chris was taken to hospital for checking-up / observation, but i don't think he was in for too long.

One of my favourite boats and worth a long trek just to hear that engine... ( possible from several miles away ! )

Sorry, don't know who to credit for the pic...but it's "one of the best" !
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Old 22-08-2010, 11:27 PM   #93
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No trackers needed. Gordon keeps damn good records of where everyone's broken down

In all seriousness though it is worth remembering that your vhf is next to useless to race control if you are 30 miles offshore as you will be below the line of sight. The only people that will pick you up at that distance will be passing traffic or a serious base antenna such as main coastguard stations.
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Progress is an interesting thing, evolution even more so. Sir Sterling Moss didn’t have safety belts or Hans devices when he raced now a Formula 1 driver would not get in an F1 car without one. As I said on this one I agree with Jon in many respects, but I do think the use of Trackers will come in and in the not too distant future. If they can be coupled to BIG SCREEN’s it must only improve the enjoyment and involvement of spectators in the event and advance the progress of safety.

We are changing the course back to Weymouth - NAB - Weymouth and will be running without trackers but all Teams will be asked to sign the usual disclaimer with the addition to hold the organisers harmless in the event that the use of a tracker would not have proved betterment for them in the circumstances encountered.

I can see it being accepted safety equipment for Marathon Racing in the future PB1 publications.

So Jon, having changed back to the original course, can we look forward to receiving your entry in the near future?
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Old 23-08-2010, 09:05 AM   #96
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Vee's idea, @ 50p per hp is excellent. very fair and even divides within classes, not just between them. you choose a shed load of power, you pay accordingly. He aint as silly as he looks!

Might stop people exaggerating / lying about their hp too!
I have to say that I completely agree. Some sort of 'levy' should apply to those that can afford to run larger HP boats.
It would only encourage more newbies to come to the sport, surely??
I'm sure those with larger HP's won't mind me saying this, but if they can justify / afford the larger fuel consumption, then surely they can afford the higher entry fee?
Why did it ever change?
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Not really a secret as it's all a matter of record but here you go:

The senior safety officer - Richard Salaman

Semi conscious crew - Tony Dowley, Chris Peeters. Fuller's Logistics/Thunderbird, Cowes 2003
thanks ben,i know its not a secret but unless your in the know,its all very secretive,with no names mentioned. anyway off to fill in my next of kin form for this weekend
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Not really - that is a VHF based system taking data from the ships on board GPS etc and transmitting it on a VHF channel to anyone in range - the map you use in your example is drawn from data taken from a number of fixed VHF antenna. The trackers for racing are standalone units although I'm not sure how they transmit the data - either GSM or satellite I believe?
The newset ones 'store' the GPS data every one minute (or quicker if set to), and then communicate that information to a server via GPRS via set parameters.
Cookee already know this, but we've just launched one called Trac-It, it's really desigend as 'self manageing' security device, but can easily be setup to record and display a logged route.
For marathon racing, every boat could be displayed on a single screen, all in different colours to differentiate, and each boat's previous route could be highlighted and displayed . Would be fantastic for spectators.
Happy to answer any questions on it...
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These are the trackers.

http://www.yellowbrick-tracking.com/

They were used on a sailing race in Cowes.

http://live.adventuretracking.com/westwardcup2010
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The newset ones 'store' the GPS data every one minute (or quicker if set to), and then communicate that information to a server via GPRS via set parameters.
Cookee already know this, but we've just launched one called Trac-It, it's really desigend as 'self manageing' security device, but can easily be setup to record and display a logged route.
For marathon racing, every boat could be displayed on a single screen, all in different colours to differentiate, and each boat's previous route could be highlighted and displayed . Would be fantastic for spectators.
Happy to answer any questions on it...
As I thought - the Trac-It is more of a security device whereas the race trackers are satellite based units with live tracking anywhere in the world and don't drop out when they lose GSM coverage, no good if someone has an emergency outside mobile phone coverage!
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