Wanted Phantom

L&N · 11-08-2004, 09:03 AM

can anybody help????

looking for a CHEAP phantom 20(ish).............

L&N · 12-08-2004, 02:29 PM

SPLASH IT

NO!!!!!!!!! Might change it and make a rib mould with it.

Captain Chaos · 12-08-2004, 02:37 PM

think some ones already done that!

oh hactually make that 2 peeps! that i know of!

L&N · 13-08-2004, 09:35 AM

yeh, i know two that have already done it. there must be more out there. its a good boat to start with..

Jon Fuller · 13-08-2004, 09:45 AM

Would you like Steve's number so you can negotiate your royalty payment(s), or do you intend to just steal it?

Captain Chaos · 13-08-2004, 10:50 AM

I didnt mean 2 people have splashed it.........I would guess that there are more than 2 intelligent criminals in the world!!!

I meant 2 x rib versions...............theres the phantom EVO....and i heard a rumour that the 19XL is no in a prototype rib form!!

L&N · 13-08-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Johnson
Would you like Steve's number so you can negotiate your royalty payment(s), or do you intend to just steal it?

I hope you dont neam me??

Jon Fuller · 13-08-2004, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by L&N
I hope you dont neam me??

Why's that?

Phantom 19 · 13-08-2004, 08:08 PM

Nick Barsch has made a rib based on the 19, looks good, and he ownes the rights to the boat anyway.

Jon Fuller · 13-08-2004, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Phantom 19
Nick Barsch has made a rib based on the 19, looks good, and he ownes the rights to the boat anyway.

Yes, when Nick bought the rights/moulds from Steve, he bought the right to do what he pleased with it.

Captain Chaos · 14-08-2004, 11:11 AM

Thatz what i was feckin chattin abart!

L&N · 14-08-2004, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by Johnson
Why's that?

if i take a boat and change it, its diferant i would only have to pay royaltys if i was making the same.

Jon Fuller · 14-08-2004, 03:17 PM

I see, and would you still think that if the design being 'changed' was yours, and you'd spent a fortune in time and money making plug, mould etc, and someone else were copying it?

And I'm not talking about a poxy little console that took 10 mins to make, I'm talking about real work!

Also, if the designer doesn't deserve recognition and payment for his work, then you clearly think it must have been easy doing the design/plug etc, so why don't you do your own and leave others alone?

Captain Chaos · 14-08-2004, 04:29 PM

Bath of ice Mr fuller!

Some people are ignorant to what exactly is envolved in the production of tooling for a quality boat..........I most certainly was pre joining this forum and opening my eyes to what goes on in the garages & lock-ups of the smaller people in this industry.

At the end of the day, this issue is as much a morale one as anything else................passing something off as your own, when its not is blantantly imorale....and only an arsehole would do it.

And to be honest, isnt all the fun in creating something that's part of you??

Jon Fuller · 14-08-2004, 05:43 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Chaos
passing something off as your own, when its not is blantantly imorale....and only an arsehole would do it.

Yes, to be honest, and I know we've been over this a thousand times, the people who think themselves 'clever' taking another persons design/work, changing a small detail, proclaiming "it's different now, in fact it's now my work, so you can't touch me" are little more than pond life! and if this is the way you carry on Mr L&N, then YOU are pond life too! just another low life 'splasher' in a shed somewhere, stealing other peoples work to make money, and I've no boubt making a far inferior product to the original. An age old problem caused by people with little or no morals.

jw. · 14-08-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Chaos

And to be honest, isnt all the fun in creating something that's part of you??

Cap'n, you normally speak in tongues but I like that comment.

L&N · 15-08-2004, 03:03 PM

i think taking someone's work that was made years ago and up-dateing it, is the way the world works. and im talking big changes not just add a millimeter here and there.

sorry to all you out there that like the old clasics. but the world needs to progress.

anyway what makes you think if people buy the rights to the name and desighn there work is quility????

Tony Davis · 15-08-2004, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by L&N
and im talking big changes not just add a millimeter here and there.

sorry to all you out there that like the old clasics. but the world needs to progress.

Hmm, all very interesting, just what sort of changes are you planning to make? If you feel that you are capable of such a task, why do you feel it's neccessary to steal someone's design.

As your planning to build a rib from a sportsboat, you obviously think that the bottom is suitable, so how would you change it to make it your design?

It might be worth pausing for a moment and consider who now owns the Phantom sportsboat moulds, as he could well be a rather large bloke (and if the stories are correct might be out of prison quite soon) who might well take exception to your plans!!!

Jon Fuller · 15-08-2004, 07:39 PM

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Originally posted by L&N
sorry to all you out there that like the old clasics. but the world needs to progress.

I accept that, but if the phantom 20 is such an 'old classic' and needs so much updating, why would you want to splash it? and yes, the world needs progress, so why don't you leave the 'old classics' be, and build something new, of your own design, now that would be interesting, wouldn't it!

Captain Chaos · 15-08-2004, 08:49 PM

The phantom 18 is such an old classic that the new owners have had to make some major changes................to its deck!!!!

The water bit..............still mashes everybody in ocr!!!! so somebody "got it right back in" '73 or whenever...they really did get it right didnt they!!!!!!

Q - how many phantom copies have there been & moreso, how many have proved to be a pile of shit and be a total embarassment to the people whom made them??

I think loads!!!