Boatmad.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 19-11-2007, 04:23 AM   #1
Registered User
 
SplitPin's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Kent
Occupation: Train Engineer
Interests: Refit/Re-engine Woody's P18 and helping with D2S.
Boat name: Fugazi II / D2S
Boat make: Phantom 18 / Planatec 41'
Engines: 1xMercury XR2 / 2x 8.1ltr Chevys
Cruising area: Kent/Hampshire/Dorset Coasts

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kent
Posts: 411
P16 Racedeck on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=250189386764

Just spotted this on ebay.

109mph!!!!! with 115 bhp from an 85hp Yam



__________________

SplitPin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 09:31 AM   #2
Registered User
 
Country: united Kingdom
Location: kent
Occupation: Broker
Interests: Powerboat Racing and F1
Boat name: Fugazi II
Boat make: Phantom 18
Engines: Mercury 150
Cruising area: AYC

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: kent
Posts: 283
Graham,

The teeth on the front look rather like the ones that Alan and Geoff used to have on the front of their Phantom ???? I dont think i have seen Geoffs down AYC so that is a possibility !!!

I will give you a bell later sorry did not call you over the weekend.
__________________

Woody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 10:17 AM   #3
Registered User
 
Country: Poland
Location: Warsaw

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 580
yeah 109mph......

on the trailer behind the car on motorway
Mike_G is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 12:32 PM   #4
Aged Member
 
DAVE's Avatar
 
Country: UK
Location: HAMPSHIRE
Occupation: Safety Engineering
Boat name: Savannah
Boat make: Princess 415
Engines: Volvos
Cruising area: SOLENT

Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: HAMPSHIRE
Posts: 779
Or off a cliff......

__________________
Land was invented to give boats somewhere to visit
DAVE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 01:10 PM   #5
Registered User
 
Techteam's Avatar
 
Country: UK
Location: Windermere

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windermere
Posts: 559
Check out the funky steering bet it just glides along at 109mph. Coniston here we come !!!!
All that power from just 85cc Why oh why did cosworth ever leave F1
Techteam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 06:24 PM   #6
Registered User
 
gazza's Avatar
 
Occupation: Champion Pie Eater
Boat name: On The Rocks
Boat make: Ring 21 marshan 17 four winns horizon, hydro 3 pointer, f2 cat, backdraft 22
Cruising area: Way up norf and Sarf coast areas

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,619
Its the nosecone on the G/BOX and the holes drilled in the leg to make the exhaust louder which gets it to the 109mph
Looks like it could be fun little boat at say £1200,This guy must be a bit gullible with a story line like this or a chancer.
If a chancer he should have started it a £500 got a few interested then got others / mates to jack it up.
What speed would this do? i would have thought depending what was done to the engine 50 mph + anybody?
gaZ
gazza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 06:35 PM   #7
Registered User
 
Maxim Gibson's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Cowes, Isle of Wight
Occupation: Marine engineer/electrician
Interests: Boat, Landy, and other toys :)
Boat name: Mad Max/Master Fiddler
Boat make: Phantom 18/Fletcher Bravo
Engines: Merc XR2
Cruising area: Solent/IOW

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cowes, Isle of Wight
Posts: 935
Quote:
Originally Posted by gazza View Post
What speed would this do? i would have thought depending what was done to the engine 50 mph + anybody?
gaZ
Easily...

with my heavy old p18 i bolted a stock 85ae straight on, no testing/setup calculations (aside from offset), had a damaged standard 19" ali prop,
and on first outing saw a comfortable average of 35 knots (gps) in the rough stuff.

take into account the alterations to the motor - it is now 115hp at the same weight, the lightweight construction of the boat, the fact that the boat is only 16' etc etc,

then add the conditions in which a top speed is taken, i.e. a lake!

I don't believe that it's a 100mph boat but i reckon it could well be 60mph +
__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, grinning from ear to ear, overdosing on adrenaline and proclaiming “KINNEL!! WHAT A RIDE!!”
Maxim Gibson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 06:36 PM   #8
1up
Registered User
 
1up's Avatar
 
Country: uk
Location: Bristol area
Occupation: Electrician
Interests: mmm stella
Boat make: 16 reiver
Engines: mercury 125 optimax
Cruising area: Lyme Bay

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Bristol area
Posts: 344
depends on how much it has been tuned , he claaims 115, which i would have thought id heading in to unreliable country, over 60 easy
mabbe 65 , if the driver dont weigh too much
1up is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 06:43 PM   #9
Registered User
 
Maxim Gibson's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Cowes, Isle of Wight
Occupation: Marine engineer/electrician
Interests: Boat, Landy, and other toys :)
Boat name: Mad Max/Master Fiddler
Boat make: Phantom 18/Fletcher Bravo
Engines: Merc XR2
Cruising area: Solent/IOW

Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Cowes, Isle of Wight
Posts: 935
a series of modifications to the engine can be carried out by an experienced outboard engineer at reasonably low cost to take the 85a's to 115hp,
a similar thing can also be done with the smaller model, think it was a 2cyl, something like 50 to 95 hp,
but as with any adjustments to anything, performance costs reliability!
__________________
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, grinning from ear to ear, overdosing on adrenaline and proclaiming “KINNEL!! WHAT A RIDE!!”
Maxim Gibson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 06:50 PM   #10
Registered User
 
gazza's Avatar
 
Occupation: Champion Pie Eater
Boat name: On The Rocks
Boat make: Ring 21 marshan 17 four winns horizon, hydro 3 pointer, f2 cat, backdraft 22
Cruising area: Way up norf and Sarf coast areas

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,619
Could be quick little boat then!
gaZ
gazza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 07:10 PM   #11
Registered User
 
gazza's Avatar
 
Occupation: Champion Pie Eater
Boat name: On The Rocks
Boat make: Ring 21 marshan 17 four winns horizon, hydro 3 pointer, f2 cat, backdraft 22
Cruising area: Way up norf and Sarf coast areas

Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,619
I suppose if you think about it, i have a F3 cat 16ft it used to race using a modified 850cc Evinrude and clocked up 80 - 90 mph, on Scream and Fly they reckoned it did 100 mph.
gaZ
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	F3 2 (1).jpg
Views:	275
Size:	51.4 KB
ID:	14490  
gazza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-11-2007, 10:54 PM   #12
Engine tester
 
motorvator's Avatar
 
Country: united kingdom
Location: Southend on Sea
Occupation: Construction
Interests: Gin & Women
Boat name: motorvator
Boat make: Revenger San Marino / Sunseeker Camargue 46 / Phantom 18/19/600
Engines: 502 mercruiser / Detroit 550s / 115 ProXS / Anything Borrowed
Cruising area: Thames, Southend

Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Southend on Sea
Posts: 1,021
Ebay Q&A said

Hello mate, i just contacted the guy who raced the boat and he says... It got an average speed of 109mph at the "windemere speed week" in 1989, he says it wasnt in any boat clubs, and the boat couldnt race officially because it was tuned. thats why it was in the isle of white charity competition. I hope this helps im just quoting the guy it doesnt really mean a lot to me. Thanx

Which must have have left the OCR and class3 guys seriously pissed off
motorvator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-11-2007, 09:09 AM   #13
Registered User
 
Techteam's Avatar
 
Country: UK
Location: Windermere

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windermere
Posts: 559
Now kph that's different, 67mph is about right, from memory MOD VP 1.3 was 69.something using a modified T850 hull with a well tuned 90 so a lightweight 16 phantom.......
Techteam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-11-2007, 09:14 AM   #14
Registered User
 
Location: north west
Interests: Northern poker runs,without the loosers
Boat name: Daze of thunder
Boat make: fastest recorded outboard phantom
Engines: which one
Cruising area: M6

Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: north west
Posts: 262
looks like brian eastams kin-ell-fire,still got rolla p[rop on.he lives in preston area.if its original power head was tuned either cosworth or nicolson.
he did win cancer research in 80s and returned following year with new boat and engine to win 1.3 worlds with graham peck.
ebay advert states 109kph not mph
steve h is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-11-2007, 09:33 AM   #15
numbskull
 
Jon Fuller's Avatar
 
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
Graham Peck told me once that 'Kin-el-Fire' cost 50K to build. couldn't see that back then when a race deck P16 would have been circa 3.5k + vat

Not sure they ever built in carbon, will check.
__________________
.

"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
Jon Fuller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-11-2007, 10:27 AM   #16
Registered User
 
Techteam's Avatar
 
Country: UK
Location: Windermere

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Windermere
Posts: 559
Maybe the name came from what they said when they got the bill.

Phantom did built some very light boats in the late eighties / early nineties using aramat there were a few 18's and some 16 race decks, couple got trashed though. Nicholson McLaren's bill would have put on a few pounds I would have thought but 50K still seems like an awful lot of money.
Techteam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20-11-2007, 10:42 AM   #17
Registered User
 
Carl's Avatar
 
Location: hayling island
Boat name: snow monkey
Boat make: extreme 24
Engines: mercruiser 6.2

Join Date: May 2004
Location: hayling island
Posts: 2,082
was there a cancer race on the isle of wight,thought it was always at poole
Carl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21-11-2007, 08:47 AM   #18
Registered User
 
SeaPee's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Norfolk
Occupation: Science adviser
Boat name: Flashpoint
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: 200 Merc
Cruising area: Hunstanton

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 27
Steve did build some P16s in Kevlar. I bought the second one of Brian Eastams
and raced it with Geoff Bird for 2 seasons in 1988 & 89 winning the championship both times, (picture is in my Avtar and another one in one of the galleries taken from a helicopter in Guernsey I think.)
I don't think the one advertised is that one though it could have been the earlier one.
SeaPee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 03:02 PM   #19
Kin Ell Fire
 
kin ell fire's Avatar
 
Country: uk
Location: near Preston Lancs
Boat name: Kin Ell Fire and Radar Fisher

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: near Preston Lancs
Posts: 10
The Kin Ell Fire Story Yes It,s True

Hi Guys well just joined and saw all the talk on the Phantom 16 named Kin Ell Fire. ok here,s the story it,s true why i was the owner and builder !

ok we go back to 1984 i got steve baker to make me a very special phantom 16 ft race deck. she was 50% glass fibre and 50% kevlar she also had special raised transom (more about this later).
in 1984 i contacted and met phil rolla in lugana switzerland and got him to make a special 4 blade prop for her. when it arrived i put it on and headed for windermere. the engine had only been ported then but without the rev limiter she would pull 7.5,00 rpm with standard 3 blade sst. ran her on the lake and she pulled 5,800 but felt fast !. to cut a long long story shorter the prop went back to phil 4 times and finally she came back and once more to windermere. 9.600 rpm and she flew. now to the engine. she was given to a mechanic from london who did all the work for AGFA BLUEBIRD as many of you will remember Gina and I was good friends and even navigated for me. the crank rods and pistons went to Cosworth,s the rest various people did various bits i do remeber 1 and half pounds of aluminimum was taken out of her. the head was worked with squish bands etc etc and a small expansion chamber exhaust was fitted hence the cuckoo holes in the leg !
on cosworth,s dyno she showed 115 bhp after that she was fitted with larger carbs and many other goody,s. I ran it at the cancer research race and she annihalated even the 115 merc,s and even two 150,s won that race and finally took her to spped week 1985 i wasnt allowed to run her officially but at lunch time i ran her with a chop on the lake and one way recorded 96 mph return was slightly slower at 91 . she went into store as my new phantom arrived (see seapee) and the rest many of you will know.
1986 world champion 1.3
national champion 1.3
1987 world champion 1.3
european champion 1.3
national champion 1.3

all true guys and yes i am still living healthy and still love my boats still talk to Gina Campbell and remember the good times.

Brian Eastham
kin ell fire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-01-2009, 03:46 PM   #20
Registered User
 
Pash 1's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Hampshire
Occupation: Credit Crunched
Interests: Rally Driving
Boat name: Double 2 Shirts
Boat make: Planatec 41
Engines: 2x625's+ From Uncle Sam
Cruising area: Solent

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Hampshire
Posts: 2,522
Quote:
Originally Posted by kin ell fire View Post
Hi Guys well just joined and saw all the talk on the Phantom 16 named Kin Ell Fire. ok here,s the story it,s true why i was the owner and builder !

ok we go back to 1984 i got steve baker to make me a very special phantom 16 ft race deck. she was 50% glass fibre and 50% kevlar she also had special raised transom (more about this later).
in 1984 i contacted and met phil rolla in lugana switzerland and got him to make a special 4 blade prop for her. when it arrived i put it on and headed for windermere. the engine had only been ported then but without the rev limiter she would pull 7.5,00 rpm with standard 3 blade sst. ran her on the lake and she pulled 5,800 but felt fast !. to cut a long long story shorter the prop went back to phil 4 times and finally she came back and once more to windermere. 9.600 rpm and she flew. now to the engine. she was given to a mechanic from london who did all the work for AGFA BLUEBIRD as many of you will remember Gina and I was good friends and even navigated for me. the crank rods and pistons went to Cosworth,s the rest various people did various bits i do remeber 1 and half pounds of aluminimum was taken out of her. the head was worked with squish bands etc etc and a small expansion chamber exhaust was fitted hence the cuckoo holes in the leg !
on cosworth,s dyno she showed 115 bhp after that she was fitted with larger carbs and many other goody,s. I ran it at the cancer research race and she annihalated even the 115 merc,s and even two 150,s won that race and finally took her to spped week 1985 i wasnt allowed to run her officially but at lunch time i ran her with a chop on the lake and one way recorded 96 mph return was slightly slower at 91 . she went into store as my new phantom arrived (see seapee) and the rest many of you will know.
1986 world champion 1.3
national champion 1.3
1987 world champion 1.3
european champion 1.3
national champion 1.3

all true guys and yes i am still living healthy and still love my boats still talk to Gina Campbell and remember the good times.

Brian Eastham




Guess that settles it then Chaps
Any other Comments????? (from those who know??)
__________________

__________________
If God can save why cant I, even on my salary?
www.teammwa.co.uk
Pash 1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×