Ciggy 35

[FLYING FISH]

You very rarely find a General Arrgt drg of a racing ciggy,albeit the attached is a pleasure version.`Black Tornado` will have the magnifying glass on it before the weekend is out I bet.

[FLYING FISH]

Moving out of the CUV thread before WWIII starts,there never was a 37ft Limit Up.The Peter Stuyvesant boat was 35ft.This was brought up in a previous thread,and it was discovered that the race programmes had referred to a 37ft instead of it being 35ft.Any more talk of a 37ft and I`ll release Black Tornado` off his chain.

[SplitPin]

Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

Moving out of the CUV thread before WWIII starts,there never was a 37ft Limit Up.The Peter Stuyvesant boat was 35ft.This was brought up in a previous thread,and it was discovered that the race programmes had referred to a 37ft instead of it being 35ft.Any more talk of a 37ft and I`ll release Black Tornado` off his chain.

Bring It On!!!!
I will have a word with Pete Downie!! But i'm pretty sure that the original Peter Stuyvesant boat was a 37'. This is the one that had the Jags in it.
Spent a day with the team at one of the Poole races. Would have been one of the first outings. Mike, Pete and Tim were running around Poole Harbour trying to get the boat on the plane. In the end flattened the batteries. So left the race boat on Tram III's mooring and went and watched the race. Don Shead was at the wheel. I remember Tim saying at the time "Hope he know's what he's doing he bloody designed the thing" as he hung on to the 26" colour TV as we came out into Poole Bay.
When we returned, Pete jumped into the raceboat and it started on the button.
It was after that, they fitted the Borg-Warner Autobox so that they could get the engines revving to get the turbos working to get the props spinning so they could then get on the plane.

I know that Pete reads on here now and again so may be...............

Graham.

[FLYING FISH]

A bit of background.Doxford bought Jack Tuskiny`s 35ft `Jumpin Jack`at one of the 76 U.S. races and renamed it Limit Up.From then up to 81 it ended up as Peter Stuyvesant.Visually it looks the same boat.The daft thing is that in the 76,77,78.79 seasons as `Limit Up` it is referred to in the race reports/programmes as 35ft.All of a sudden in 1980 still in `Limit Up` colours it is referred to as 37ft and again as 37ft in `Peter Stuyvesant` colours.Is this the blind leading the blind? We hold ouselves in readiness for the Doxford engineer to speak.

[Ciao]

Ok - Gets a bit more complicated.

I have just spoken to Tim, he thinks there were two cigarettes painted up in Stuyvesant colours.

The '37 and a '42.

The '42 he thinks was sold on as a pleasure boat and was moored in St. Tropez.

The post from Splitpin re. not getting onto the plane are very accurate as far as he remembers, they had to use nitrous in the end.

[FLYING FISH]

No need to release `Black Tornado` on this one Mr.Spilt Pin.
I have dug deeper into the files and now discover that in time for the CTC 79,Doxford had a new 37ft painted and styled as his previous 35ft,and this went on to 1980 & 81 ending up with the jags.Usually a 37ft is referred to as 37.5ft a la Ajac Hawk,so maybe Limit Up 3 was a special.These look a like boats are a minefield to track,just like Della Valle`s stable of boats.

[Black_Tornado]

I believe that Tim (Powell I suppose)doesn't correctly remember, because a Cig. 42' has never existed but max 40', therefore I'm suited to believe that also the measure of 37' is wrong and if they remove from him the 2' of too much it is gotten....35.'
It still returns the ghost of a 37' for Doxford. But then where that boat is ended?

[Black_Tornado]

Flying Fish;
do your 1979 infos originate from reliable sources?
Then the boat in matter would be this.
Strange that Doxford for a new boat has maintained the same windscreen and identical engines bay hatches to those of the old 35'.

[FLYING FISH]

Yes Marco,another unbelievable find.I have two reports commenting on the fact that 10 days before the CTC79, the new 37ft Limit Up arrived in bare state.Also I now find in two Venice Worlds 79 reports, the 37ft is referred to as a 37.5ft.It fooled me that the new 37.5ft windscreen for example is in the same style as a 35ft ciggy.As for the 42ft,as you say,is TP thinking of the 40ft,but at the same time comments that it was in Peter Stuyvesant colours.We may need to put Mr.Ciao on the 42ft case as he may have the key to unlock the TP archives.Was the 40ft Limit Up repainted in PS colours but never raced?

[Black_Tornado]

Graham,I have just gone out of a brief standstill in the darkened room for a fast comparison between your photos of Limit Up 35' and Peter Stuyvesant Cig. and something doesn't convince me. Perhaps the old 35' was lengthened to 37?
However the Peter Stuyvesant has the 37'5 flat deck (like the Copeland's Popeyes for example) not that of the Limit Up 35'and this can be enough.
I must now go to the job. I will continue tonight. If you can checks it. Look the tanks fuel leaks on the sides. Those are one of the digital imprints.

[FLYING FISH]

Going into BT mode with the magnifying glass,look at the deck filler positions and the deck fittings on transverse windscreen coaming.Paint job re engine hatch coaming is different.Pics are from 1977 Beken Calender and Venice Worlds.

[SplitPin]

Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

Was the 40ft Limit Up repainted in PS colours but never raced?

As far as I know, when the 38' cougar came out in '80 in the Limit Up Colours, the 40' had already been sold.

Then for the '81 season, both the 37' and cat were in Stuyvesant colours.

Don't know what happened to either of these boats at the end of '81.

I think Toleman came out with the Bertram in Stuyvesant guise for the '82 season.

Graham.

[SplitPin]

In the pic in post#8, you've got me on camera.



The year after, Bruce was in the Brabham F1 Pit Crew.

[SplitPin]

Originally Posted by Ciao

Ok - Gets a bit more complicated.

The post from Splitpin re. not getting onto the plane are very accurate as far as he remembers, they had to use nitrous in the end.

I remember Pete saying that they only had to give it a short burst of Oxygen to "light the engines up"

Graham.

[FLYING FISH]

After puncturing the boat in the Needles race, investigations indicate it was sold to Gentry and repainted red & white ,and then had major deck mods to become Gentry Turbo Eagle and finally sunk by Norm Gentry in New Orleans race in 1990.

[Black_Tornado]

No doubt. Thanks to Graham(SplitPin) for the direct info and to Graham(Flying Fish) for the researches in his library.
Three Cig. Limit Up. 40'-35'-37'6.
Note the flat deck on the 37'6,the fuel fillers,the race number on the sides(more moved toward the bow for 37'6),the fuel tanks leaks,the long holes on the anterior part of the air-scope of the engines bay hatches(three on 37'6 against 4 of 35')....are different in the two boats.
Below are the pics comparison; the 35' in 1978,the new 37'6 at the CTC of 1979,the 37'6 Peter Stuy. in 1981 and the 37'6 at Venice Worlds 1979.

[SplitPin]

I knew between us, we'd get this one sorted!!!!
My dad spoke with Pete last night.
The information he gave was this....
There were definitely 3 cigs in the team 35', 37' & 40'. Pete doesn't know of any 42' and the 40' was sold before the cat arrived. It had a cabin fitted and went out to St Tropez? Though he did remember seeing it back at Fairey's missing an engine.
He said the easiest way to distinguish the 35' and 37' was the red/white pin stripe around the gunwale and waterline. On the 35' the stripe ran around the transom. On the 37' the gunwale stripe dropped to meet the waterline stripe at the stern.
Pete said that the 37' was moulded in "Limit Up" Gold/Yellow and that he actually fitted it out in Aronow's factory.

Graham.

[FLYING FISH]

Thanks `Split Pin` for the latest Limit Up update.All useful info.There will be another case to solve in due course I`m sure of that.