CUV/PICCHIOTTI`s

[FLYING FISH]

Well done Marco,your in a class of your own.

[cfun]

Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

Spot on,Olli.Horst Stross was the man.They wanted 27,40 & 50ft versions

excellent as soon as the pic's were posted I remember reading about this boat in a magazine, but for some reason I still have an idea I had read about another Porsche engined boat in the 80's fitted in a Tollio Abbate hull

http://www.tullioabbate.biz/page.asp...mac=225&mn=246


That is a very cute looking CUV'ed boat shame only the one ever built, that's not a step is it in the Boatmad photo or just a dark painted area

[THUNDERBOLT]

I was lucky enough to witness that Porsche 27 in the South of France it was absolutely stunning and went like a rocket, wonder where it is now ?
thanks Graham for all that info I remember one of the mags did an article but blowed if I can find it now.
Mike
COPOC

[olli]

Originally Posted by cfun

excellent as soon as the pic's were posted I remember reading about this boat in a magazine, but for some reason I still have an idea I had read about another Porsche engined boat in the 80's fitted in a Tollio Abbate hull....

You possibly thought about the Tempest 32 Sport? Go to http://www.tempestyachts.net/main.htm
Click on videos and choose Tempest 32 Sport then you will hear the sound of those Porsche engines. Not many were made I guess because those Porsches almost doubled the price compared to MerCruiser power.
I think Tullio Abbate experimented with all sorts of engines. I have read about his boats with Lambos, Ferrari, AMG Mercedes, Porsche and Jaguars and of course all sorts of marine engines. I am almost sure I have once read in Boat International about plans to power a Superiority 60 with tripple supercharged Aston Martin engines

[FLYING FISH]

I have noted a couple of Porsche powered craft in the records.

1989 Abbate cat `Five` 40ft 2 x Porsche = 1600hp (see pic)

1987 Abbate mono `Five` 41ft 2 x Porsche = 1600hp (no pic)

[Jon Fuller]

Didn't HFS run Porsche V8 motors at one point?...and V6 Cossies?

Graham, I noted your comment about a dedicated section, and it's fine if you want one, we'll add it.

What you want it called?

[Black_Tornado]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Didn't HFS run Porsche V8 motors at one point?...and V6 Cossies?

Graham, I noted your comment about a dedicated section, and it's fine if you want one, we'll add it.

What you want it called?

Hoping that it don't happen as in a similar forum in a site USA where then it is ended up speaking of old pleasure boats to be modified for making it more howling and fast on the sea.
Old competition and only old competitions world.

[FLYING FISH]

Thanks for coming back Jon re a new section.Could we call it just `Historic`.Fingers crossed that`s acceptable and there`s not too much flak.

At least with a new section it may generate an updating of offshore history.As they say,someone has to do it or it`s lost forever.We already have pics and films that make Boatmad top of the pile.

I can`t find any reference to Porsche engines in HFS,always Chevrolet,but Ben is the all seeing eye on Velocity craft.

[FLYING FISH]

Just seen your comment Marco,and I know what you mean.But you can`t be pure about it unfortunately if it drifts off now and then.If somebody responds to a thread that adds further info to our understanding of the facts, then to me it`s been worth the exercise.We live in hope.At least I would be more encouraged to put data on there irrespective of the time it took me to collate,without having to be bounced off the section,by some guy who feels I`m clogging the thread up, as he wants to know how his 2000hp gas turbine will fit into the latest Marathon rules.

[olli]

Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

1987 Abbate mono `Five` 41ft 2 x Porsche = 1600hp (no pic)

[Tony Davis]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Didn't HFS run Porsche V8 motors at one point?...and V6 Cossies?

Don't recall Porsche motors, but it certainly had V6 Ford motors in it. I seem to remember it being early 80's, perhaps 82/83, when it used to run up and down a pre speed limit Poole Harbour, struggling to get on the plane.

I think they may have been derived from the old GA V6 out of the Cologne Capri's, these were a modified motor by Weslake.

It used to be launched at Rotork, next to Dorset Yacht, and I believe that whilst it was being worked on, the wind blew an engine hatch shut, chopping the end of someones finger off.

I don't believe the motors were very successful, as they had a very small powerband, and with loads of pretty high revs the boat sounded like a very angry bumble bee.

[FLYING FISH]

Thanks for posting Olli,your filling in the gaps in my pic collection nicely.

[Black_Tornado]

Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

Just seen your comment Marco,and I know what you mean.But you can`t be pure about it unfortunately if it drifts off now and then.If somebody responds to a thread that adds further info to our understanding of the facts, then to me it`s been worth the exercise.We live in hope.At least I would be more encouraged to put data on there irrespective of the time it took me to collate,without having to be bounced off the section,by some guy who feels I`m clogging the thread up, as he wants to know how his 2000hp gas turbine will fit into the latest Marathon rules.

We hope.
That it will be purest that will be possible.

[cfun]

What weight difference's are there between using a glass layup as per the 40' D2S against say the 38' CUV for just the bare hull back then, I am guessing the tin hull would be heavier but stiffer also if things don't work out I assume you could alter spray rails etc with the tin boat, I did read on OSO of a 46' Fountain bare ex race hull for sale weighing in at around 2300Kg but that would now doubt be a light lay up and using today's advanced materials and layup techniques plus know doubt the boats true length was probably closer to the 40' mark

[Mikko Oikari]

Originally Posted by cfun

What weight difference's are there between using a glass layup as per the 40' D2S against say the 38' CUV for just the bare hull back then, I am guessing the tin hull would be heavier but stiffer also if things don't work out I assume you could alter spray rails etc with the tin boat, I did read on OSO of a 46' Fountain bare ex race hull for sale weighing in at around 2300Kg but that would now doubt be a light lay up and using today's advanced materials and layup techniques plus know doubt the boats true length was probably closer to the 40' mark

Looked at the Fountain 46 a while ago. It is close to 46 ft and very wide-10ft.
Talked to Peter Hledin (Skater/Douglas Marine) who built the boat some 10 years ago to Reggie Fountain.
His boats are very light and strong but he told me that this hull had been lying outdoors in Michigan for a couple of winters so it was in very bad shape.
To bad. It would have been a nice raceboat with 3xVolvo D6-engines...

[FLYING FISH]

38ft CUV bare hull - 1400kg (add circa 100kg for 40ft)
40ft Abo bare hull - 1200kg

[FLYING FISH]

As a comparision with the 46ft Fountain 2300kg,Debenhams 45ft was 2175kg bare hull.

[FLYING FISH]

I should have added,when comparing like for like alloy/grp,the GRP hull wt would not nave included fuel tanks and machinery seats which are built in for the alloy boat,so by the time youv`e finished they are very similar weights.
The Debenhams boat was 9ft beam when comparing to the Fountain 46 10ft beam.

[cfun]

I must admit I am surprised at their low weights, I had assumed that D2S weighed in less engines around 3500KG and a few hundred Kilo's more for the Alloy hulled boats so I am not sure how 1200KG bare would translate into 3500KG rigged less engines and drives

[FLYING FISH]

Full wt breakdowns were not done for raceboats,because once you had made sure the bare hull was OK for wt,adding the machinery plus auxilaries was only a quick calc to make sure you were on track,but to give you an idea here are some examples of wt breakdowns that were done.

37ft Unowot/45ft Debenhams in kg

Hull Const 1400/2175
Superstructure Constr 0/260
Hull & S/S Ftgs 63/100
Deck Equipt 49/154
Systems 190/220
Machinery 1394/3090
Seatings 46/40
Electrics 127/170
Nav Eqipt 21/25
Accommodation 24/0
Wood decks & flats 19/25
Paint 10/20


Lightship 3343/6289kg

HP 1200/1800