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[olli]

Originally Posted by alice

why not start your own power boat gallery web site then you could put up all you want when you want,could be good. simples

There is FF who, because of his love for the sport (and in his case it is a fact, not just a phrase), puts a lot of money (yes, magazines, books and the hardware to scan it properly do cost) and an incredible amount of time (just scan some articles let alone slides and you will know) to contribute to/build up a gallery that covers the history of powerboating for free and hardly anyone acknowledges it. What does he get for it? Bullshit comments. Unbelievable!! Shame on all those ignorant idiots!
Unfortunately I have no clue on how to build up a website and find the sponsors to run it. I would not hesitate a second to do it. If in this case it is just the cost why not make a section for paying members only? But I am sure there would be only a handful (literally) willing to pay for stuff that you will see nowhere else ( It is not by accident that FF’s pics appear in forums and websites all over the world). The Americans do that and there you get nothing but bullshit talk. Their ‘Icons of the sport’ are so impressed by themselves they possibly reveal any useful information only to a mirror but not to the public. This forum in my opinion is the best there is now and it owes it in no small part to the gallery. If you cut it down it has much less to offer which means less hits which means less sponsorship money. It will be just another forum.

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Sorry, all the Graham Stevens media (stills & video) are no longer in the Boatmad gallery.

I'm sure Graham will re-host elsewhere asap.

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

A slight difference in opinion.

If it is because of the money one can find a solution, if it is just because of wounded pride you should re-think Mr. Fuller. Reading some of your older threads (f. ex. your posts in the RB08 thread) made me think that your love for the sport is the driving force behind this forum and your other activities. If you are willing to throw an important part over board because of a childish thing it seems there is not much left of it.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by olli

If it is because of the money one can find a solution, if it is just because of wounded pride you should re-think Mr. Fuller. Reading some of your older threads (f. ex. your posts in the RB08 thread) made me think that your love for the sport is the driving force behind this forum and your other activities. If you are willing to throw an important part over board because of a childish thing it seems there is not much left of it.

Thanks for the psychiatric advice, but I'm perfectly capable of making up my own mind as to how I should conduct myself.

[Mike Ring]

[QUOTE=FLYING FISH;197428]It`s so simple it`s breathtaking.

What you find is,if one has the sort of history amassed that goes back 50yrs,then the chances are you are of an age where you won`t be as computer literate as you would like to be.


Graham,
Your contribution to the sport and powerboat history in general by keeping and publishing priceless records jointly with John on Boatmad is sacrosanct and surely above a small difference of opinion however insurmountable it may seem at the time. There is an answer to every problem.
There is a case of Noblesse Oblige here upon us all to take whatever steps we can to preserve our lifetimes achievements before they are lost forever. I am painfully aware that we cannot ask those that are no longer with us for their thinking behind this project or that, its too late and we will never know. Let us make sure future interested parties have a really comprehensive reference library left to them as I feel that we have lived through the Golden Age of British powerboating the like of which will never be seen again, ever.
If we cannot mantain an actual museum ( Basildon) at least an online version is attainable.

I really do appreciate what you have been doing even if I am not too vociferous in singing your praises and I also have a lot of time for our own tame Ginger Rottweiler bless him and I know he has his work cut out just keeping the lid on this fantastic forum.
Perhaps we should all contribute a levy toward professional time to oversee the work in hand and I for one would be proud to contribute.


Mike

[dowdy]

[QUOTE=Mike Ring;197443]

Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

It`s so simple it`s breathtaking.

What you find is,if one has the sort of history amassed that goes back 50yrs,then the chances are you are of an age where you won`t be as computer literate as you would like to be.


Graham,
Your contribution to the sport and powerboat history in general by keeping and publishing priceless records jointly with John on Boatmad is sacrosanct and surely above a small difference of opinion however insurmountable it may seem at the time. There is an answer to every problem.
There is a case of Noblesse Oblige here upon us all to take whatever steps we can to preserve our lifetimes achievements before they are lost forever. I am painfully aware that we cannot ask those that are no longer with us for their thinking behind this project or that, its too late and we will never know. Let us make sure future interested parties have a really comprehensive reference library left to them as I feel that we have lived through the Golden Age of British powerboating the like of which will never be seen again, ever.
If we cannot mantain an actual museum ( Basildon) at least an online version is attainable.

I really do appreciate what you have been doing even if I am not too vociferous in singing your praises and I also have a lot of time for our own tame Ginger Rottweiler bless him and I know he has his work cut out just keeping the lid on this fantastic forum.
Perhaps we should all contribute a levy toward professional time to oversee the work in hand and I for one would be proud to contribute.


Mike

Aint no lap top whizzkid either,wish i was,regarding above,whatever mike chips in as will match it.

[Gordon McMath]

'Ginger rottweiler' oh i love that nice one Mike

[Captain Chaos]

Originally Posted by Gordon McMath

'Ginger rottweiler' oh i love that nice one Mike

It is quite funny, but I prefered the "Rusty Mongrel".

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Thanks for the psychiatric advice, but I'm perfectly capable of making up my own mind as to how I should conduct myself.

Too right, Ive been there many a time when Angela has given you your opinion

[Pennpromo]

So gents; what do we all need to do as Boatmad fans to ensure that you can both see a way forward.
Graham, your archive is, as many have said, an absolutely invaluable resource, cultivated, I guess, over about 50 years of quiet devotion to the sport.
Jon, Boatmad is a unique offer to a smallish band of enthusiasts from across the World whose boat interests are enriched every time they log on.
There must be a way forward and I am, as well as many others I am sure, happy to pay a SMALL, charge to access premium content, (makes it sound like porn, but it is, after all, boat porn!). Paypal is so easy although costly...
Happy to do what I can to find a solution !
SIMON

[Cesa]

Happy to do what I can to find a solution !
SIMON[/QUOTE]

Thing is, we don't really know what the problem is do we? Is it the time taken to get the media prepared and uploaded to the site, or an issue of costs associated with the process? Or something else?

Unless we know, Boatmadders willing to assist can't really offer any viable solutions.

[biffer]

boxing gloves and a square ring, unless they've had a major bust up, in that case, no gloves

[FLYING FISH]

Originally Posted by Pennpromo

So gents; what do we all need to do as Boatmad fans to ensure that you can both see a way forward.
Graham, your archive is, as many have said, an absolutely invaluable resource, cultivated, I guess, over about 50 years of quiet devotion to the sport.
Jon, Boatmad is a unique offer to a smallish band of enthusiasts from across the World whose boat interests are enriched every time they log on.
There must be a way forward and I am, as well as many others I am sure, happy to pay a SMALL, charge to access premium content, (makes it sound like porn, but it is, after all, boat porn!). Paypal is so easy although costly...
Happy to do what I can to find a solution !
SIMON

As you can imagine Simon,I am heartened by the response to save what could be a really good historic site.

From a practical point of view,all that is needed from my side is to have a Gallery section where pdf`s can be loaded and satisfaction in knowing that any films that I copy off will be put on to the site within weeks,not months.This I`m sure must possible,and of course the Gallery re-instated back to it`s original state.

Now comes the tricky bit.

I will pass over and spend endless hours preparing this data,but what I will not tolerate is being given the run around endlessy after such work.

Jon has created a site which gives interest to many,but at the same time we have seen a few `berserk` situations and those that have fallen foul of this along with others that witness it,are abandoning the site.

For interest,apparently the same vintage film on Boatmad that receives 100 hits in 2yrs receives 200 hits in 3 days on Facebook.This just illustrates that
Boatmad is in a pretty small league compared to that.OK,Facebook at present can`t compete with what Boatmad could offer if allowed to.

Like most problems,the root of it is communication,and like Jon ,it can reach a stage where we are both jarred off with each other.When the films were originally passed over ,it was taking so long to get them uploaded that Jon was taken to task at the CTC scrutineering one year,and actually admitted he was ashamed of not having put them up sooner,so he is fully aware what I expect.

As Mike Ring says,this whole business is bigger than us two knocking lumps out of each other.Maybe it`s taken this thread to highlight that one maybe God of a website,but don`t treat people who have a point to make like trash,they post for a reason,not to suffer `berserk` situations.

The question now is will this post create another `berserk` mode or have the effect of talking to one another,and that is the real problem.

To be honest I don`t think bringing money into the equation is too clever.It can create more problems than those it`s trying to solve.This is a lesuire pursuit at the end of the day and a hobby for some,although judging by the above diatribe,it`s lost the plot.

[littlenige]

I encouraged Graham to get involved and get his stuff on here as he was originally planning to donate it to the now defunkt museum. My arguement to that was - why do that when few people will then see it?? My desire originally was to start my own historical library online, but it was a matter of cost and a lack of knowledge on my part as to how to go about building a website. So Jon's site was the next best thing. What's the point in history if none of us can see it? I urge you gents to patch up your differences. :-)

[biffer]

been reading all these posts carefully trying to workout what has gone on, i'm still on the fence but i'm looking in FF's garden, he doesn't seem to want a lot, but obviously more than JF's willing to give

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

what I will not tolerate ...
'Berserk` situations ...
Boatmad is in a pretty small league ...
one maybe God of a website, ...
I have been treated appallingly ...
despite being shat upon I do have my uses ...
this weeks events is utter madness. ...

Have you quite finished?

I've managed to hold my tongue re: this situation, you however, appear to have taken every opportunity to knock me, the site, the history etc, All this does is rapidly cement my feelings re the media site, which as you so rightly point out is supposed to be pleasurable, and that includes for me.

Given all your vitriolic spume, maybe you should speak to copoc or similar to carry it on, but remind them they'll need well over 100 gig of server space ( I paid for a 300 gig drive to be installed in the server specifically to accommodate the media site) and unlimited bandwidth...not to mention the 4 to 5 hours it takes to edit, render and upload each 60 mins of video to the server.

For me, all this crap makes the prospect of continuing with Boatmad at all very questionable indeed, as contrary to popular belief, I do actually have a full & busy life outside boats, and this bloody website.

When something stops being fun, why would I bother to carry on, and in case you haven't gathered it from this post, I'm not currently having fun..

[Carl]

if you made chaos a moderator,would that help only kidding. whatever has happened there are alot of us who love this site with or without the media section,and have learned and our still learning/being kept informed of whats going on in our sport,so chin up jon,as has been said before its your baby,and yours to do what you want with,but i would find the working day a lot longer without boatmad

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by Carl

if you made chaos a moderator,would that help

[biffer]

back in the middle of the bloody fence again, bugger it, i'm going for a beer

[Mark Wildey]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

...not to mention the 4 to 5 hours it takes to edit, render and upload each 60 mins of video to the server.

JF

If processing time is an issue I'd be happy to...
a) Create a client node on a vmware ESXi server I have
b) Your choice of operating system ( windows 7, windows server, Red Hat, Fedora etc etc )
c) Make a terabyte or two available
d) Create remote access for you or anyone else you say to use the machine.

Happy to leave it available to you or can manage processing/uploading as I have browsed the catalog of photo's and video's over the years and really appreceiate the work that has been put in by yourself, Matt, Graham and others.

Cheers

Mark

[FLYING FISH]

Some cross your lugging round Jon.Dear oh,dear.

[Mike Lloyd]

May I just add tuppence worth?

If Graham hadn't sent Jon the 1972 film London to Monte-Carlo and Jon hadn't spent hours putting it on the server and if I hadn't accidently seen it some months ago the Cowes to Monte-Carlo Grand Prix 2013 wouldn't be happening.

I would be one very bored person and some 50 race teams wouldn't be about to have just the greatest time of their lives, and a lot of boats and engines wouldn't be sold either.

So, I take my hat of to both Graham & Jon for making all of this possible, If it wasn't for both of you we wouldn't have all these great old films to browse over and a great new race to look forward to. Hope that puts this thread into some sort of perspective.
ML.

[Captain Chaos]

I see both points of view.

Originally Posted by Carl

if you made chaos a moderator,would that help

Carl, I think we both know that Jonny would rather give away body parts than allow the 2nd most dedicated/ saddest person on this forum to moderate!

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

..... whinge whinge whinge ......

For me, all this crap makes the prospect of continuing with Boatmad at all very questionable indeed,

*an utter lie*

When something stops being fun, why would I bother to carry on, and in case you haven't gathered it from this post, I'm not currently having fun..

The Tru Finale ?