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28-11-2014, 09:07 AM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
Engines: Evinrude 115HO, Yam 90
Cruising area: Channel Islands
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Why would there be a transition period for a new class? EPA engines have been on the market for 8 or 9 years now.
The RYA/ORC need to look after the existing classes and promote stability if the numbers are to increase
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28-11-2014, 11:16 AM
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Registered User
Country: Sweden
Location: Stockholm
Occupation: Delta powerboats, Dahl Naval.
Interests: Boats, Cars, boats and boats
Boat make: Frodé 23R
Engines: Mercury 200XS
Cruising area: Lake Mälaren
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Why a transition phase? No need for it.
When we went from non EPA to EPA Engines, some people (all of them had old Merc XR6 and such) Said that the 150 class would die. It's now bigger than before and growing as we speak with new Boats designed for the class and old Boats getting restored. People have alot of fun Racing in this class. No cheating, all have simular power.
Even the V-300 class that I will be Racing in have a slow increase in compeditors. And most of them are Phantoms
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28-11-2014, 11:32 AM
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Country: ENGLAND
Boat name: V13
Boat make: V24 batboat
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i was trying to find a compromise between ocr and offshore,ocr being to boats that are running non epa motors,
zander,i am puzzled as to 3c with 200xs have to have a canopy yet you can run same motor on 21 phantom with no canopy?
i will stick to v24
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28-11-2014, 12:32 PM
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I can't believe you're talking about introducing yet another new class, and want to allow old technology motors. It hasn't been possible to buy them for ages now, so why not stick to modern epa motors?
Or is it the case that you think you've found an old motor that will give you the edge?
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28-11-2014, 01:35 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
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The RYA/ORC need to look after the existing classes and promote stability if the numbers are to increase[/QUOTE]
RYA / ORC SHOULD have looked after the existing classes !! That way the numbers would not have decreased in the first place !!
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28-11-2014, 01:57 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
Engines: Evinrude 115HO, Yam 90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OCRDA
RYA / ORC SHOULD have looked after the existing classes !! That way the numbers would not have decreased in the first place !!
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Absolutely.
Anyone with a 3C boat they can no longer race in the uk is quite welcome to join us in Guernsey! Ferry rates for racers are excellent now, and we can store boats between races and tow to the pits if needed.
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28-11-2014, 02:15 PM
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Registered User
Country: ENGLAND
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Originally Posted by Paul E
Absolutely.
Anyone with a 3C boat they can no longer race in the uk is quite welcome to join us in Guernsey! Ferry rates for racers are excellent now, and we can store boats between races and tow to the pits if needed.
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So why is it ok to run 3c boats without canopys in guernsey. but not in the uk and we are all running under rya,why dont you all come to uk in return that would make it fair
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28-11-2014, 02:19 PM
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Registered User
Country: Sweden
Location: Stockholm
Occupation: Delta powerboats, Dahl Naval.
Interests: Boats, Cars, boats and boats
Boat make: Frodé 23R
Engines: Mercury 200XS
Cruising area: Lake Mälaren
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RHINO, our V-300 class is quite different from 3C. No Cats, heightlimit on the engines. We strugle to get over 70 knots here. 3C reaches over 90.
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28-11-2014, 02:51 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
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Cruising area: Channel Islands
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RHINO
why dont you all come to uk in return that would make it fair
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To be perfectly honest racing in the UK doesn't sell itself as a fun thing to do! A few of us will be over next year for Cowes and Folkestone, but I've got no interest in racing in a national series where people are DQ'd and have points removed with no formal explanations.
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28-11-2014, 03:16 PM
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#30
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Registered User
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I must agree the fun has gone for the time being,as for dq rules are rules and we all have to follow them no matter who you are.i have had a few myself and did not agree with decisions but you have to move on
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28-11-2014, 03:24 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: london
Occupation: Powerboat Skipper
Interests: Boats , bikes!
Boat name: Renegade
Boat make: GPV-RENEGADE
Engines: 150 HO etec
Cruising area: Thames, south coast, anywhere!
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Location: london
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Brian, you at the agm years ago when we discussed the 4 year transition period where the wording submitted to the rya was changed from experimental period to experimental class.
It just ain't going to happen in the near future.
As for all these ocr and offshore boats that are out there, the fact is they are not doing the races now... so why are they goin to do a national series?
Sadly, all the good ideas have been ruined over the last 10 years or so.
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28-11-2014, 03:28 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RHINO
I must agree the fun has gone for the time being,as for dq rules are rules and we all have to follow them no matter who you are.i have had a few myself and did not agree with decisions but you have to move on
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Totally agree, but when there isn't even a rule number quoted which was allegedly broken then questions must be asked surely?
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28-11-2014, 04:08 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul E
To be perfectly honest racing in the UK doesn't sell itself as a fun thing to do! A few of us will be over next year for Cowes and Folkestone, but I've got no interest in racing in a national series where people are DQ'd and have points removed with no formal explanations.
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That depends where in UK you go !! We had no issues at all this season !!
This thread says it all really 2 Old time and 1 new racer commenting !!
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28-11-2014, 05:45 PM
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Registered User
Country: Sweden
Location: Stockholm
Occupation: Delta powerboats, Dahl Naval.
Interests: Boats, Cars, boats and boats
Boat make: Frodé 23R
Engines: Mercury 200XS
Cruising area: Lake Mälaren
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Location: Stockholm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OCRDA
That depends where in UK you go !! We had no issues at all this season !!
This thread says it all really 2 Old time and 1 new racer commenting !!
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Do you have any problems with me trying to help out here Bob?
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28-11-2014, 07:30 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
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Not at all, just not seen much help as yet !! Seems that the Powers that be have buried their heads in the sand and won't look at or accept the bigger picture !!
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28-11-2014, 07:44 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: london
Occupation: Powerboat Skipper
Interests: Boats , bikes!
Boat name: Renegade
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Location: london
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And it's still more activery than the ocr Web page and forums over the last few years.
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28-11-2014, 09:01 PM
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#37
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Registered User
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Boat name: V13
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Quote:
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Anyone with a 3C boat they can no longer race in the uk is quite welcome to join
us in Guernsey! .
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still dont see how you are allowed a championship and we are not . after all we have the same insurers
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29-11-2014, 07:57 AM
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#38
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
Engines: Evinrude 115HO, Yam 90
Cruising area: Channel Islands
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I may be wrong, but I think it's because we're basic/club racing. Only our 3A/3B class had national status this year. I do think it's stupid and can see your frustration, a B23 with 200xs is capable of the same speeds whether it's in a national race, a basic race or just pissing about testing
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29-11-2014, 08:31 AM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey Channel Isles
Location: West Coast
Occupation: Hotelier
Interests: Powerboat racing
Boat name: Vodkatini,Cap Camarat,Easy RiderSuper Rider & Hirrondelle
Boat make: Phantom 21,Jeaneau 925 Avenger19.Lorne Campbell Slipstream Tremlett 21.Tigershark 21
Engines: Volvo 5 litre,Merc 115 Tower,Twin 250 Suzukis and 145 Mercruiser LX
Cruising area: Channel Islands and French coast
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Zander,I like the look of Rude150 ho but how much faster is it then A or B class with 130 HO ?
Rhino -I reckon 150 class might stutter as everyone has gone 130 route
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29-11-2014, 08:39 AM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
Engines: Evinrude 115HO, Yam 90
Cruising area: Channel Islands
Join Date: Aug 2009
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We're running 115s Si, if Jacques is running a re-stickered 130 I won't be happy
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