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03-10-2007, 08:02 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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chiller used to be on the ski racing scence, but i forget who it towed, a junior/ bambino i belive??
the ring with the suzuki has been around for years, i remeber seeing it advertised in brixham about three years ago for just over 20k
quite amusing because at the time i was 16, and owned a ring myself and thought, wow i got a bargain on mine lol
but no doubt that its probobly one of the nicest rings in peasure trim about
and the red one with the v max looks alot of boat for the money
if you fancied an xr2 for a bit more noise, we could do a deal
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03-10-2007, 08:23 PM
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On a roll
Country: England
Location: Plymouth
Occupation: Anything in metal
Interests: Bristol Rovers, Cider & Boats
Boat name: Aqua Thunder, Badboy
Boat make: Bernico F2, Phantom 21
Engines: Merc 280efi, Merc 260efi
Cruising area: Worldwide
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Plymouth
Posts: 2,249
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If you want me to pop down and take any pic or have a look at the ones in Plymouth Yatch haven let me know, I always like chiller, in my opinion its one of the best looking ring around. Let me now if I can help,
cheers
Dan
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03-10-2007, 09:16 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Somerset
Interests: Ski Racing
Boat name: The Equalizer
Boat make: Ring 18
Engines: Suzuki 140
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Somerset
Posts: 154
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If the third one's a Ring - I'm the Queen of Sheba !
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03-10-2007, 09:25 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Weston Super Mare
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Weston Super Mare
Posts: 6,351
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I believe all Ring 21's had a sun deck and outboard mounted on a gill bracket
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03-10-2007, 09:32 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: dorset
Interests: wasting money on boats
Boat name: aquilla .
Boat make: Superhawk 40. Ring 21E. Seadoo gtx. Windy Khamsin
Engines: Kad 300s. 300xs Dbr .d6 370 230 4tec
Cruising area: corfu
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: dorset
Posts: 570
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ring 21
not all had brackets, the third one i think is a 21 d but mr ring will confirm
or c/chaos
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03-10-2007, 10:10 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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i am absoulotley certain, if the age of the last one is correct, then it would be a new build, as c/chaos made me aware it is a company called marina??? whether they bought that mould i am not aware of, but it definatey looks more ring than any other.
and burtys correct in that aot of ring 21's did come with a bracket, i was told that it had something to do with the uptake to inboarded ones wasnt as great as first thought???
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03-10-2007, 10:20 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: Bristol area
Occupation: Electrician
Interests: mmm stella
Boat make: 16 reiver
Engines: mercury 125 optimax
Cruising area: Lyme Bay
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Bristol area
Posts: 344
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Burty
I believe all Ring 21's had a sun deck and outboard mounted on a gill bracket
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no they didn't,
this one doesnt have a sun deck or a gill bracket just a 200opti bolted straight on
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03-10-2007, 10:29 PM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
Location: In a box
Occupation: Chaos's gofer
Interests: Skiving
Boat make: Spectre 30
Engines: 2 x Promax 225
Cruising area: In the bath
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: In a box
Posts: 5,201
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I reckon the last one is a 21E, same as the one Graham Firmin recently sold. An extra foot of beam than a 21C, which is the one with the bracket and sun pad!
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03-10-2007, 10:59 PM
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Trade Member
Country: England
Location: West Sussex
Occupation: Boatbuilder / Design
Interests: Anything powered on wheels, water or air
Boat name: OVERLORD
Boat make: RING 34' SPORTSBOAT 2 X V8 PETROL
Engines: 2 x 320 MERCRUISER B1
Cruising area: South coast
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 406
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan
If you want me to pop down and take any pic or have a look at the ones in Plymouth Yatch haven let me know, I always like chiller, in my opinion its one of the best looking ring around. Let me now if I can help,
cheers
Dan
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Chiller has just been sold to a family in the West Country. Lotta boat for the money .
The 21E series is s very nice boat abd most suitable for a modern heavy 4stroke.
The 20 with Yamaha I know nothing about.
Hope this helps....
Mike
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03-10-2007, 11:01 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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saw that boat playing around in lyme on bank holiday monday
fell in love
and i think this the difference
a 21= transom
a 21c= bracket and pad
possibly
whats a 21E just out of intest??
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03-10-2007, 11:02 PM
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Trade Member
Country: England
Location: West Sussex
Occupation: Boatbuilder / Design
Interests: Anything powered on wheels, water or air
Boat name: OVERLORD
Boat make: RING 34' SPORTSBOAT 2 X V8 PETROL
Engines: 2 x 320 MERCRUISER B1
Cruising area: South coast
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 406
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nigelk
If the third one's a Ring - I'm the Queen of Sheba !
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NO you aint....
Mike
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03-10-2007, 11:12 PM
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Trade Member
Country: England
Location: West Sussex
Occupation: Boatbuilder / Design
Interests: Anything powered on wheels, water or air
Boat name: OVERLORD
Boat make: RING 34' SPORTSBOAT 2 X V8 PETROL
Engines: 2 x 320 MERCRUISER B1
Cruising area: South coast
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 406
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freedom
i am absoulotley certain, if the age of the last one is correct, then it would be a new build, as c/chaos made me aware it is a company called marina??? whether they bought that mould i am not aware of, but it definatey looks more ring than any other.
and burtys correct in that aot of ring 21's did come with a bracket, i was told that it had something to do with the uptake to inboarded ones wasnt as great as first thought???
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I designed the 21D series to take the bracket as it gave a far better holeshot than a standard transom, the 21D was dual purpose and was a real hotrod with a 502/Bravo 1 and also went on to become Tony Davis Extreme 21 and the Honda series boat.
The 20 C had a built in transom notch /cutback for the same reason as the bracket , holeshot. It is not a good idea to set the engine further back with an additional bracket as it upsets the Cof G ( unless you re-jig the whole boat) best to leave it where you found it.
Sorry to scotch some of your favourite rumours....
Cheers ,
Mike
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03-10-2007, 11:19 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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not a probem at all
id rather no the truth and not rumors
as youve probobly guessed
im a bit more into my rings than phantoms
so, im always intrested when a thread ike this comes up
and being able to actually obtain viable information is great
cheers
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04-10-2007, 12:16 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 22
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Oh well start again....
The second boat bothers me as I am positive it has had a new motor but is still changing hands or being advertised in a season.
Mike,
I am going to ask a really stupid question now... perhaps.
Are any of these 21 hulls still live ? -A bit rich for me I think but just curious really.
It's just you have a webpage that still comes up that says that you make 21 and 25 sports boats as well as the boat for Honda dated 2002.- No mention of Tony!!!- But his site is down too!!!!!
In trying to get back into things I'm finding it a case of who has what at the moment.
I was trying to use this forum as alternative to trying ring people and ask these questions but am on the verge of giving up.
Again I apologise for asking any questions that may be commonl knowledge.
Mike H
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04-10-2007, 12:30 AM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
Location: In a box
Occupation: Chaos's gofer
Interests: Skiving
Boat make: Spectre 30
Engines: 2 x Promax 225
Cruising area: In the bath
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: In a box
Posts: 5,201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikey2007
as well as the boat for Honda dated 2002.- No mention of Tony!!!- But his site is down too!!!!!
In trying to get back into things I'm finding it a case of who has what at the Mike H
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Mike's connection with Honda was as the designer of the 130hp race boat, I was the builder.
I fell out with Honda after the first season, so the job, and a set of my moulds went to Cougar, who re-vamped the boat a couple of seasons later.
I still build the 21, and the 24, a pal of mine now builds the 26.
My website is down, undergoing changes, hope to have it back up soon.
TD
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04-10-2007, 09:32 AM
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Ringle@der
Country: England
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Interests: Water Ski Racing.
Boat name: Both called ‘Irresistible’.
Boat make: Bernico F1 Twin, Monterey 265SC.
Engines: 2 x Mercury 300XS's, Yanmar 315.
Cruising area: South and east coasts. Eastbourne Marina.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Posts: 758
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Have there been any changes to the hull design or build to the new 21's? I mean, have or could any new 21c's be built with steps or pads, with a carbon/kevlar layup and colours directly in the gel?
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04-10-2007, 09:43 AM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
Location: In a box
Occupation: Chaos's gofer
Interests: Skiving
Boat make: Spectre 30
Engines: 2 x Promax 225
Cruising area: In the bath
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: In a box
Posts: 5,201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gar163y
Have there been any changes to the hull design or build to the new 21's? I mean, have or could any new 21c's be built with steps or pads, with a carbon/kevlar layup and colours directly in the gel?
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Nope
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04-10-2007, 02:46 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
Posts: 3,095
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3rd one (Ring 21) belongs to a guy called Steve we were out cruising the Tamar a couple of months ago !! It is immaculate and has had very little use, It goes very well for a big bout & small engine and very economical.
Bob
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04-10-2007, 08:43 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Watford
Boat make: Ring 21E
Engines: 200 Optimax
Cruising area: Solent
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Watford
Posts: 66
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Quote:
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60 Knots with a 140? .
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Think this must be a bit far fetched as I now own Graham Firmins old R21E running a 200 opti and flat out it achieves somewhere around 65mph. Although not having a vast experience of many different boats I will say that the 21E seems a very well built and capable boat and I havn,t looked back since buying it. Well Recommended
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