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Old 09-03-2006, 05:26 AM   #1
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Hi Im new hier.

I have a question about Berniko 23' F1 offshore. Does that boat have a pad and what is the V bottom degree. I would love to see pics of it. Im thinking of buying one. I did email Bernico but the info I got was poor. Any other info you gauys have would be great.

Ps I love your site and Im europian too I was born in Poland and moved to US few years ago.

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Old 09-03-2006, 09:39 AM   #2
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Hello SOB

The Bernico 23 F1 is a great looking boat, and it should handle great. Have you tried to contact them by phone ?
+32 (0)3.455.87.28 . They will send you data etc.

Most of their boats are build specificly to their customers needs.
I dont have the details on transom deadrise etc. but the bottom is a very deep vee, and it will take a Promax 300X or the new 300XS easily.

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Old 09-03-2006, 10:18 PM   #3
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Very nice one for sale on this site.
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Old 10-03-2006, 12:45 AM   #4
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Thanks for reply

If I decide to buy it Im going to put single 300x by Simon Motorsports its making 335 at prop. Any Idea how high is the transom? I thing I saw 15" drag engine on one of them. (withe/blue/red). One more thing, how fast with single engine? there is no data on their web site.
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Old 10-03-2006, 01:14 AM   #5
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you cant modify the 300x only the 300promax.
the elarlier 300's had around 270-280 hp the 2000 (last year of manufacture) had different coil's and a few other bits and they made the full 300 hp.
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Simon is 3.0L master he can modify any 3.0L merc check this http://www.simonmotorsports.com/page15.html
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yep seen it before... you can't do them mods to a 300x though thats the 300 p/m style block.
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Old 10-03-2006, 11:12 AM   #8
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If I decide to buy it Im going to put single 300x by Simon Motorsports its making 335 at prop. Any Idea how high is the transom? I thing I saw 15" drag engine on one of them. (withe/blue/red). One more thing, how fast with single engine? there is no data on their web site.
The boat you seen was my old Bernico F2 a 21ft boat not the 23ft F1.
You are correct I did have a 300 drag race motor with a 15" mid.

Bradley is selling a Bernico F2 on this site, this has a 15" 2.5 efi and would work out alot cheaper than building your own.

Where did you see my Bernico?

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Cyco i do not remember where I saw your boat. Its beauty what was the top speed any idea. Maybe I go with 21 I tought yours was 23. Cyco more info on your boat please Donatk@optonline if you do not whant to share it email me

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Old 10-03-2006, 10:48 PM   #10
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There are pictures of Cye's Bernico in readers rides!!!

It did 85mph with a tuned drag motor. It would have gone a bit more but cye proped it for reliability (ish, 8500rpm ) If it had been propped down a touch and the motor allowed to rev to 9k+ I expect it could have been made to go a few mph more.

I believe Nico saw 87 on an F2 with a 300x.

One more thing to note is that these boats feel absolutley planted, set in concrete, safe as house, solid at these speeds. Its like a walk in the park, awesome!!!
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Old 10-03-2006, 10:53 PM   #11
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Just to make it clear, I don't think walks in the park are awesome!!! I like high adrenalin activities like power boats, fast cars, downhill mountainbiking and stuff
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Old 11-03-2006, 09:25 AM   #12
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cyes is/was a great boat and went down under (oz)last year. I dont know how well the team that bought it are doing, but if their skiers up to it, very well i would of thought!
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Old 13-03-2006, 04:47 AM   #13
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Most skiraceboats still are 21 ft,to keep it stable at speeds nearing 100mph,you have to be a good and well trained pilot,to steer the chine walk out. especially when the boat is narrow like a Conelly,or a Cyclone,Bernico. I have had a 21 Bernico with 2x 2,5 EFI,s ,and it was fast ,but difficult to drive 15 inch will help with balance problems ,but will not solve it ,it lowers some weight ,but you still have to deal with bad chine walk. Sterling
I just read this on S&F is Bernico realy bad chine walking hull or its just this guy opinion. Need more replays
Thanks guys Need more opinions good and bad befour I decide.
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Old 13-03-2006, 10:17 AM   #14
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I drove Cyco's 21' F2 on lots of occasions in all conditions inc over 80mph and it never chine walked once, it was a fantasticly stable boat. However Cyco's had tabs and i'm sure i read somewhere that a hull without the tabs in america i think had problems with chine walking
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Rob the Bernico in America that you are refering to belongs to a guy called Ryan who lives in Long Beach.

I have spoken with him many times to try and resolve the problem that they are seeing.

At WOT the boat starts no porpoise bit like a Phantom I guess.

But no chine walk even without tabs.

Think they have fitted a set of tabs now which shold cure there problem.

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Old 25-03-2006, 04:10 PM   #16
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The reason ski race boats are no longer than 21 foot is because of the rules, you are not allowed anything longer . that rule is a out of date now so maybe should be changed, at least for formula 1 bur back in the day when the rule was brought in spped were only seventy if you were lucky 150 hp was the bigest engine back then straight six
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Old 02-04-2006, 11:46 PM   #17
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Hi guys ive been reading the above on the bernico 23 with a single engine,and it seems it was a 21 and not a 23,i would like to say that ime the first and only guy to order a 23 from Nico 4 years ago with a single engine and also to be used in offshore racing and not ski racing,offcourse it was an experiment to us all ,its the one on his web site ,though i must say its been really long i dont brouse in it so i dont know if its still there,if u have, u must have seen it ,its all silver with a merc 2.5 efi 260hp,,when we first tried it in Belgium it did 73 mph with a trophy plus 24 pitch prop and 76.5 with a chopper which i dont remember the pitch nor diametre,the lift was half way up only and the trim maybe centre i cant really remember,we could not raise the lift any more cos it was over reving and Nico said i would have to send the power head to him so he could do some work to it,which i did, i finally picked the trophy to keep and not the chopper ,i then tried 2 choppers 24 and 26 pitch i think or both 26 but one of them with bigger diametre,but the boat was much slower ,i never got to find out the chopper i used in Belgium cos Nico forgot which one it was,then when i tried it with plenty of time i raised the lift all the way to the top and centre trim + and the speed was 76.5 mph i think the rpm was 6700 margine not to sure cant remember ,so i imagine it would have done 80mph with Nico`s chopper ,i never actually did any height testing cos i was happy with the perfomence,but i do think that the boat is capable of 80mph+ with thind prop and more testing,Nico was shocked cos he could not believe the perfomence of the boat with a single engine and the handleing was flipping great,it took hairpins like nothing no sign of hooking nor barrell roaling it.I finally sold the boat a year and ahalf later and it was converted back to a ski to be used with a junior skier.
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Pity we could not keep that engine and had to opt for a 200, prior to bringing it home, but still it went well and won us the tiltle.
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