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12-10-2014, 06:38 PM
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Registered User
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I'd have thought 200+hp would do more damage than a few bumps on a trailer, but either way if its showing signs of moving is well knackered!
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12-10-2014, 07:10 PM
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James when we got our P20 it had stress marks where the previous owner had a lifter fitted, see photo, apparently it was flexing with the lifter attached.
We had a stainless plate fitted and our engine bolted straight onto transom, see photo
Jason
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12-10-2014, 09:26 PM
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Mike Mills
Country: Uk
Location: Walney island
Occupation: Telecom Engineer
Interests: Powerboats, Fishing, Shooting, Modified cars
Boat name: VANISHING POINT
Boat make: Phantom 21 racedeck
Engines: MERC 2.4 EFI 320hp, MERC 2.4 EFI Bridgeport x2, 2.4 ported EFI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiskylee
James when we got our P20 it had stress marks where the previous owner had a lifter fitted, see photo, apparently it was flexing with the lifter attached.
We had a stainless plate fitted and our engine bolted straight onto transom, see photo
Jason
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Have you still got that motor?
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12-10-2014, 09:27 PM
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It was just a bare hull when I purchased her
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12-10-2014, 09:34 PM
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Mike Mills
Country: Uk
Location: Walney island
Occupation: Telecom Engineer
Interests: Powerboats, Fishing, Shooting, Modified cars
Boat name: VANISHING POINT
Boat make: Phantom 21 racedeck
Engines: MERC 2.4 EFI 320hp, MERC 2.4 EFI Bridgeport x2, 2.4 ported EFI
Cruising area: Walney coast (North west)
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Originally Posted by Whiskylee
It was just a bare hull when I purchased her
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Oh ok, I thought you had both engines! Haha
Did it have graphics on the side and red devil
Like a cheeky little devil head? And the name?
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12-10-2014, 09:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Red dragon
Oh ok, I thought you had both engines! Haha
Did it have graphics on the side and red devil
Like a cheeky little devil head? And the name?
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That's how it looked when we got her
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12-10-2014, 09:41 PM
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Mike Mills
Country: Uk
Location: Walney island
Occupation: Telecom Engineer
Interests: Powerboats, Fishing, Shooting, Modified cars
Boat name: VANISHING POINT
Boat make: Phantom 21 racedeck
Engines: MERC 2.4 EFI 320hp, MERC 2.4 EFI Bridgeport x2, 2.4 ported EFI
Cruising area: Walney coast (North west)
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That's the one! Looks far better like you have it!
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12-10-2014, 09:44 PM
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Mike Mills
Country: Uk
Location: Walney island
Occupation: Telecom Engineer
Interests: Powerboats, Fishing, Shooting, Modified cars
Boat name: VANISHING POINT
Boat make: Phantom 21 racedeck
Engines: MERC 2.4 EFI 320hp, MERC 2.4 EFI Bridgeport x2, 2.4 ported EFI
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When should I come James or even better pm me your number? Easier that way
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13-10-2014, 07:29 AM
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Location: Newcastle, Tyne&Wear
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Originally Posted by Paddlers
Loads of the information you need on the iboats forums. It happens a lot more than you'd think. Worth getting it sorted before the engine drops off !
I think a lot of damage occurs when you're towing so built a transom saver to save my old girl !
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Wonder if many people on here have had a transom rebuild on a p20, seems the usa love transom savers but don't seem popular in the uk.
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13-10-2014, 07:48 AM
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Registered User
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Location: Newcastle, Tyne&Wear
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiskylee
James when we got our P20 it had stress marks where the previous owner had a lifter fitted, see photo, apparently it was flexing with the lifter attached.
We had a stainless plate fitted and our engine bolted straight onto transom, see photo
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Yes it seems to have done/doing the same thing except maybe it's too late now it's starting to split, maybe if it was recovered faster it could have been saved. How do race boats use lifters and get a hammering and still be okay are they reinforced? Might be worth getting more strength in it if it's getting done.
Thanks again lads
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13-10-2014, 07:53 AM
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Transom savers are for poofy lake boats that break at the sight of a wave, a 70mph offshore boat takes a FAR bigger hammering on the water than a nice trailer with rubber tyres and suspension.
My money is on it being rotten, many many phantoms have had theirs replaced over the years
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13-10-2014, 08:12 AM
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Registered User
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Location: Newcastle, Tyne&Wear
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul E
Transom savers are for poofy lake boats that break at the sight of a wave, a 70mph offshore boat takes a FAR bigger hammering on the water than a nice trailer with rubber tyres and suspension.
My money is on it being rotten, many many phantoms have had theirs replaced over the years
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Yeah that's what I thought! I don't feel as bad knowing it's not an uncommon thing.
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13-10-2014, 08:14 AM
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Registered User
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It's Most likely the origional transom from new, not surprised with the wear and tear over the years it's started to break.
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13-10-2014, 09:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesalan
It's Most likely the origional transom from new, not surprised with the wear and tear over the years it's started to break.
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James do a search for Apache P20 on here and have a look at the stainless steel transom plate they fitted under the lifter
Jason
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13-10-2014, 11:40 AM
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Country: Ireland
Location: Dublin
Occupation: Boatbuilder
Boat make: Hydrostream V-king, 650SS OCR ,Ring 21, Ring 18, Phantom 18.
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If its starting to fail under the weight of the engine, its going to disintegrate the first rough day and cause all sorts of other problems.
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13-10-2014, 12:48 PM
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James was only suggesting that you plate over a structurally sound transom, when you have repaired the transom
not to try and mask the issues you have
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13-10-2014, 01:06 PM
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Registered User
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Location: Newcastle, Tyne&Wear
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiskylee
James was only suggesting that you plate over a structurally sound transom, when you have repaired the transom
not to try and mask the issues you have
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Yeah Jason I knew what you ment! Be worth looking into. How do race boats get there strength? If it's getting done I might aswell get as much strength as possible in there.
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13-10-2014, 01:07 PM
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#38
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hydrostream
If its starting to fail under the weight of the engine, its going to disintegrate the first rough day and cause all sorts of other problems.
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Totally agree! want it perfect before going into the water
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13-10-2014, 02:14 PM
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#39
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesalan
How do race boats get there strength?
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Decent core materials and a little bit of thought about whats going on there!
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13-10-2014, 06:48 PM
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#40
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