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Old 01-12-2006, 11:50 AM   #21
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Old 01-12-2006, 12:24 PM   #22
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That would be the fastest that went to conniston, not always the fastest...

or Bournemouth...
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I assume Rhino put the boat together purely for the attempt, and hadn't actually competed in a race with it, or perhaps it didn't meet class rules.

Or I could be talking bollix!
I think the only reason Brian doesn't hold the record is just because he did not enter the boat for the Outboard Imersed Prop Monohull national record. He may not have been aware of it or did not want to do it, as I can't think of any compliane rules that may stop him from entering. Instead he entered it for a Performance Certificate which really is to certify how fas you boat can go. These Performance Certificates were issued on Windermere if your boat didn't fit into a record class, however, they are not available on Coniston due to the bylaw only allowing craft to travel over 10mph if they are attempting a national or international record.
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Rhino did 90.62mph average

his best one way run was 93 ish
no record as it was his re-engine ocr boat
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Old 01-12-2006, 01:32 PM   #25
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Sinkunit's p21 with a 300 drag did 96 and Pete Smith's raven did 106 one way on windermere.
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his best one way run was 93 ish
no record as it was his re-engine ocr boat

He still could have attempted Outboard Imersed Prop Monohull national record with his re-engined ocr boat, it just would not be eligable for any OCR national records. I was eligable in my 18' Phantom with 260 EFI that I use for club racing.
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Sinkunit's p21 with a 300 drag did 96 and Pete Smith's raven did 106 one way on windermere.

Always wondered if Pete Smith's raven would be classified as a monohull as it was air entrapment modified V hull underneath. If it is then it was one of the fastest, maddest monohulls around.
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These Performance Certificates were issued on Windermere if your boat didn't fit into a record class, however, they are not available on Coniston due to the bylaw only allowing craft to travel over 10mph if they are attempting a national or international record.
There is a rumour that the reason why these 'clasesses' of monohull/non-monohull, inboard/outboard were introduced was to allow a leeway in the rules. You could attempt a specific record based on your personal boat, and if you dont get the record you do get the certificate of ferformance, which would otherwise be banned if you were not going for the actual record.

It seems that most boats out there would fit into one of these four classes, unless you were properly qualified through racing..
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There is a rumour that the reason why these 'clasesses' of monohull/non-monohull, inboard/outboard were introduced was to allow a leeway in the rules. ..

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There is a rumour that the reason why these 'clasesses' of monohull/non-monohull, inboard/outboard were introduced was to allow a leeway in the rules. You could attempt a specific record based on your personal boat, and if you dont get the record you do get the certificate of ferformance, which would otherwise be banned if you were not going for the actual record.

It seems that most boats out there would fit into one of these four classes, unless you were properly qualified through racing..
Interesting comment. There were several new national clubman classes introduced in 2005 when records week changed from Windermere to Coniston so that drivers who compete in handicapped club racing could attempt national records, however, I didn't think the Outboard Imersed Prop Monohull was one of these new classes. The rumour that if you didn't get a record you were attempting you would get a certificate of performance is unfounded. If you attempted a record and didn't get it, quite simply you didn't get the record. After attending records week for the last 2 years I have yet to see a certificate of performance issued to a driver for not getting a record he was attempting.
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The rumour that if you didn't get a record you were attempting you would get a certificate of performance is unfounded. If you attempted a record and didn't get it, quite simply you didn't get the record. After attending records week for the last 2 years I have yet to see a certificate of performance issued to a driver for not getting a record he was attempting.
I know of two people running at conneston who did not break their record in 2005, yet recieved a certificate showing their best time. A personal certificate showing their performance = Certificate of Performance?
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I know of two people running at conneston who did not break their record in 2005, yet recieved a certificate showing their best time. A personal certificate showing their performance = Certificate of Performance?

Really? I may be mistaken then, do you know who they were and I'll double check my facts and apologies for my incorrect comments.
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i have got Performance Certificates at lake Windermere when
attempting a record i didnt get , or if you just turned up with a boat and wanted to know how fast it was you could make a run ,depending on how busy they were ,record attemps took priority
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attempting a record i didnt get , or if you just turned up with a boat and wanted to know how fast it was you could make a run ,depending on how busy they were ,record attemps took priority
Yes that was the case for Windermere, but the Coniston bylaw only allows a craft to travel over 10 mph if they are attempting a national or international record which is why I was under the impression that you could no longer do a run for a performance certificate as it is not a record attempt and would mean breaking the law.
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I got a certificate at Windermere 2004 and another at Coniston 2005 showing my best time, and I only beat the record in 2007 at Coniston.

http://www.conistonpowerboatrecords....us_years.shtml - No national record, but I have the certificate showing my speed.
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and I only beat the record in 2007 at Coniston.

How long have I been asleep?
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I got a certificate at Windermere 2004 and another at Coniston 2005 showing my best time, and I only beat the record in 2007 at Coniston.

http://www.conistonpowerboatrecords....us_years.shtml - No national record, but I have the certificate showing my speed.
Well I stand corrected and apologies for questioning FabFour's post, you do get a performance certificate if you attempt a record and fail. Also apparently you get one if you attempt a record and succeed, which now begs the question where did my performance certificate go to, maybe I'll get one this year.
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Well I stand corrected and apologies for questioning FabFour's post, you do get a performance certificate if you attempt a record and fail. Also apparently you get one if you attempt a record and succeed, which now begs the question where did my performance certificate go to, maybe I'll get one this year.
Paul I think you've got to buy the certificates.
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Paul I think you've got to buy the certificates.
Sounds about right, I just paid to claim the records.
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Also apparently you get one if you attempt a record and succeed, which now begs the question where did my performance certificate go to, maybe I'll get one this year.
You will get the certificate from the Organising Club for sure, BUT if you want the record certificate you have to claim the record and you have to pay for the certificate. Something like £90 for the British Record Certificate and £230 for the UIM World Record Painted Certificate...
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