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14-04-2009, 09:22 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
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Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
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A good one, 82mph
Rock steady upper 70's in race trim.
Awsome, except in a following sea! 
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14-04-2009, 09:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
A good one, 82mph
Rock steady upper 70's in race trim.
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What's your prefferance, Phantom 21 or BAT 23.. I reccon the Phantom's quicker but all opinions welcome.. Or more to the point greatly recieved..
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14-04-2009, 09:28 PM
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Also, anyone famililar with Backdraft, an Orange Bat 23, XR2 etc.. Dont remeber it being that quick in the field.. Any ideas???
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14-04-2009, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BenSmith
Hey, quick question for anyone!! Bat 23's top speed with an XR2 about 65 - 70 ish?? AP's site reccons 80+, I know I've been in a phantom with a tuned XR2 pushing 82 but shurly the Bat is a bit too bulky with its wings and creates too much drag.. Or am I talking absolute ....
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Buy a cat similar to blufin has.
If you rig it right you can be quick in the calm, and get through the rough.
To run a p21 - and win - you have to be experienced and very good.
If I had the money, I would love to race blufin's Midas Cat in 3C
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14-04-2009, 09:32 PM
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Must say though, I'm not keen on the inline seating arrangment.. My suicide seat mans not keen on the setup either, much keener on the Phantom layout, but would really appreciate any thoughts or facts on Phantom 21 vs BAT 21.. Thanks in advance.
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14-04-2009, 09:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao
Buy a cat similar to blufin has.
If you rig it right you can be quick in the calm, and get through the rough.
To run a p21 - and win - you have to be experienced and very good.
If I had the money, I would love to race blufin's Midas Cat in 3C
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Twill have to have a gander at that.. Any ideas where to get one??
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14-04-2009, 09:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenSmith
Twill have to have a gander at that.. Any ideas where to get one??
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PM blufin on here - he maybe up for a sale?
I think 3 to 4 of those boats were built, pretty sure that one of the owners has just gone down for a 5 year stretch-
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14-04-2009, 09:42 PM
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Not sure if its just me, but cant find any pics or info on Midas Cats.. Have pvt messaged Blufin in the hope of some details - fingers crosses unless anyone else has any ideas.
Also, huge thanks to all. You've been a great help so far..
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14-04-2009, 09:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao
PM blufin on here - he maybe up for a sale?
I think 3 to 4 of those boats were built, pretty sure that one of the owners has just gone down for a 5 year stretch-
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Thanks again!! :-)
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14-04-2009, 09:44 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
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Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
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B23 every time. The P21 will only do well in the very rough, in the right hands.
Dave Sperling sold his cat years ago. I think his became 'Tub Humping', Cliff Smiffs one.
http://boatmad.com/forum/showthread....ht=tub+humping
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14-04-2009, 09:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao
Buy a cat similar to blufin has.
If you rig it right you can be quick in the calm, and get through the rough.
To run a p21 - and win - you have to be experienced and very good.
If I had the money, I would love to race blufin's Midas Cat in 3C
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Still, I do love the P21, its a great boat in all weathers!! Fast fun and f cuking scarey.. What more could you want in a race boat!! :-)
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14-04-2009, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
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Ya reccon?? Fair comment though, but any reasons for that?? Just trying to get as much info from the gurus ;-) as I can..
As the above, I do love the P21..
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14-04-2009, 09:52 PM
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blind dog
Country: uk
Location: fast land
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14-04-2009, 10:00 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
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Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blind dog
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'Sweet As'
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14-04-2009, 10:03 PM
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Traveling
Country: UK
Location: Alderholt
Occupation: Aerospace
Boat name: T/T D2S
Boat make: Midas 27' Cat, Argo 16 Cat. Avon Rib Thingy
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Phew thought I missed me court date again !!!!!
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15-04-2009, 09:08 AM
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Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
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I have raced against that P21 with "Old Beardy" at the helm on many occasions, and as Jon says it was always at the front (with us) in the rough but a long way behind in the flat - if you get a consistently rough season you may get enough points to be near the front, but they tend to cancel races that are rough enough to guarantee you a win!
Our 950kg Rib was faster in the flat and could usually win in the rough as well, but got beat in the flat by the bat boats and cats as well.
My choice would be a Batboat (not a Backdraft unless you want to go 1.3) or a Cat.
By the way we made the anti stuff nose for the bow of the P21 to make it legal(ish)
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