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Old 29-10-2012, 02:04 PM   #1
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opinions please

in the clip below who in your opinion is in the wrong? and why?
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Old 29-10-2012, 02:10 PM   #2
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Blue boat... Black boat had the overlap and wasn't given room to turn
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Blue boat... Black boat had the overlap and wasn't given room to turn
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Old 29-10-2012, 02:52 PM   #5
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rule 312-11 UIM 2012 curcuit rules-passing marks

"when trying to overtake a boat on the inside, the driver must anticipate the possible direction of the boat he is trying to overtake, and must take all necessary actions to avoid collision"

reading this and watching the replay would this rule then not apply?
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Is this Zapcat racing? According to PB1 2012, F47(e) "a boat being overtaken must not deliberately alter its course in any way that would hinder the overtaking boat, once an overlap has been established."

The blue boat must have been aware that the black boat was on the inside, with an overlap, and should have let them take the inside line around the buoy
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"lots of laps left"

i know you get the red mist and all that but go for a gap thats not there and put yourself out of the race, who cares who's right or wrong the guy in third must be laughing his socks off !
(anyone know who won ? was it the guy in third)
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565.32 - OVERLAP
I. If overtaking on the inside an overlap is only established when two boats are approximately on the same course, and the boats are parallel to each other.
II. When overtaking from the outside an overlap is established when the overtaking boat has passed the overtaken boat sufficiently to change direction without contact.
III. The lead boat has the right of way until an overlap is established.
IV. A safe overlap is the responsibility of the overtaking boat.
V. An overlap can occur from left or right.
VI. An overlap may not be established on the inside of the actual race course.


565.33 – OVERTAKING
An overtaking boat shall keep clear of the boat that is being overtaken
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Blue boat... Black boat had the overlap and wasn't given room to turn
Thats an offshore overlap, not a circuit overlap!
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So it depends what rules the race was being run under then? I only know PB1 and assumed it was them
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Although looking at that 565.32 I'd say the inside overlap was established legally
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They dont look very parrallel to me...
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They dont look very parrallel to me...
I read it to mean parallel as in running in the same direction, do they mean parallel as in running level?
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I read it to mean parallel as in running in the same direction, do they mean parallel as in running level?
Its not exactly clear really but assuming most boats in a race should be heading in the same direction. Im assuming they mean running level.
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Its not exactly clear really but assuming most boats in a race should be heading in the same direction. Im assuming they mean running level.
True!

What's the purpose of this thread? I'm guessing a contentious decision was made?
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Folks - this was an incident from last Saturday at our national P750 Thundercat Championships over here in Ireland. Blue boat was DQ'd from that heat ....which was then protested ....original decision upheld by race jury ....blue crew now going to appeal to National Authority. Possibly best to let the matter run its course
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in the clip below who in your opinion is in the wrong? and why?
Just back from Infirmary after giving myself oxygen...
Some of these people crack me up! Never raced a boat in their lives, never saw nevermind read a rule book in their lives, never seen a race in the flesh, never took their own cat out in anything more than a F2, but know it all from lookin at pictures on Facebook, and quoting a single line from a rule book, that obviously someone must have sent to them in a message on Facebook!
Sthop, i'm still rolling around laughing!
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zapcats

most of the zapcat footage ive seen, the drivers always race bunched up and seem to want to go over each other rather than round, how many posts have we seen on here when boats are on top of each other and props and skegs just missing heads, maybe stretch out the coarses a bit and give them more time to get to markers etc, just my 5 ps worth bumperboats, they wouldnt be that bunched up if they were hard bottom/ real boats, he he
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Old 29-10-2012, 09:22 PM   #19
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had the door shut on me many times by drivers. rule or not i alwayse allowed the inside boat right of way, even if it was to my detrement and anyone i have navi'd for will back me up.

By allowing the insde boat right of way on a turn and outside boat holding its course i feel it minimises incidents like this.

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Just back from Infirmary after giving myself oxygen...
Some of these people crack me up! Never raced a boat in their lives, never saw nevermind read a rule book in their lives, never seen a race in the flesh, never took their own cat out in anything more than a F2, but know it all from lookin at pictures on Facebook, and quoting a single line from a rule book, that obviously someone must have sent to them in a message on Facebook!
Sthop, i'm still rolling around laughing!
All the people posting may have done 60+ races in multiple classes all over the world, how do you know ?????
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