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09-01-2014, 01:41 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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phantom 18 something similar
Don't have much luck with boating however decided I dont want my jet ski anymore and would like another boat. A mate has offered me a p18 an all I would have to do Is source engine an steering
I have two requirements though. I want it to be able to tow a skier and be light enough to have no brakes in the trailer. I had a ring 16 before many years ago I could push around easily so looking for a similar setup. Was thinking of pitting a yam 115 on it and wondering what sort of weight it would come in at
Any help/ advice is more than welcome
Thanks
Chris
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09-01-2014, 04:21 PM
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On a roll
Country: England
Location: Plymouth
Occupation: Anything in metal
Interests: Bristol Rovers, Cider & Boats
Boat name: Aqua Thunder, Badboy
Boat make: Bernico F2, Phantom 21
Engines: Merc 280efi, Merc 260efi
Cruising area: Worldwide
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Plymouth
Posts: 2,249
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I "think" the legal gross weight without brakes is 750kgs or half the tow vehicle weight whichever is the lightest.
You could always get a trailer built from ali which would allow a few more kg's on the hull/engine etc (or just take out the shoes )
Dont know about the other bits though
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09-01-2014, 04:38 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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Pretty sure your right. I know that smaller boats that I've owned such as little Fletchers, a rib an a ring 16 didn't need the brakes
Feeling I'll have to have a play with it on a weigh bridge. Just didn't know how heavy Yamaha 115's come in at.
On another note, how's things with you? Any luck on the sale of yours?
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09-01-2014, 06:06 PM
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Flyer
Country: UK
Location: East Isle of Wight
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Noisy fast transport,waterski/airchair
Boat make: Crusader 19 sport/ski
Engines: Yamaha 140, V4
Cruising area: Solent
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Isle of Wight
Posts: 7
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Weight of a Yam. 115hp
Hi, if you are looking at a V4, 115hp, two stroke Yammy, the long shaft, 20" AETO model is quoted @158kg, same as a 140hp.
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09-01-2014, 06:41 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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The boat you have sounds just what I'm after, as is the interest in air chairs to! Digressing alot here but always fancied one! Are they hard to ride?
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09-01-2014, 08:05 PM
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Flyer
Country: UK
Location: East Isle of Wight
Occupation: Retired
Interests: Noisy fast transport,waterski/airchair
Boat make: Crusader 19 sport/ski
Engines: Yamaha 140, V4
Cruising area: Solent
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: East Isle of Wight
Posts: 7
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Airchair
Easy, like a bicycle once you have learnt. Best to start with a solid boom on the boat so you have a solid to hold onto and learn the sensitive balance and weight change effects, then try a standard deep V ski rope. Out of the hole effort and 20-25knt cruising speed dramatically reduce fuel bills and body fatigue. Had mine since inventor Mike Murfy`s demo at Thorpe park in the mid 90`s.
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10-01-2014, 12:29 AM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Bristol
Occupation: Brewer
Boat name: Jan-Jan
Boat make: Ring 16 D
Engines: Johnson Faststrike 115
Cruising area: Weymouth
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Bristol
Posts: 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freedom
Don't have much luck with boating however decided I dont want my jet ski anymore and would like another boat. A mate has offered me a p18 an all I would have to do Is source engine an steering
I have two requirements though. I want it to be able to tow a skier and be light enough to have no brakes in the trailer. I had a ring 16 before many years ago I could push around easily so looking for a similar setup. Was thinking of pitting a yam 115 on it and wondering what sort of weight it would come in at
Any help/ advice is more than welcome
Thanks
Chris
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Why do you not want to have brakes on the trailer ?
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10-01-2014, 12:48 AM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Bristol
Occupation: Brewer
Boat name: Jan-Jan
Boat make: Ring 16 D
Engines: Johnson Faststrike 115
Cruising area: Weymouth
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Bristol
Posts: 16
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For your info - my Ring 16 D with Johnson 115 Faststrike on twin axle trailer weighs 883 Kg's. My cruising area (Weymouth) has particularly keen police that often spot check boat trailers. - Happy hunting
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10-01-2014, 10:00 AM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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That is very helpful thank you
Also very much like your boat.
Basically I have done my towing test etc but my partner hasn't. Plus braked trailers are alot of hassle that unbraked. 100kgs would be alot to loose from your setup however imagine the extra axle helps considerably
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10-01-2014, 10:10 AM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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That is very helpful thank you
Also very much like your boat.
Basically I have done my towing test etc but my partner hasn't. Plus braked trailers are alot of hassle that unbraked. 100kgs would be alot to loose from your setup however imagine the extra axle helps considerably
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10-01-2014, 11:29 AM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Weston Super Mare
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Weston Super Mare
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Cant see you getting under 750kgs dude.
500kgs for rigged hull
150kgs engine
50kgs fuel
200kgs trailer
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10-01-2014, 11:33 AM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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How much does a bare 18 weigh then?
It was literally going to be two seats and a steering wheel.
If I could get the hull to come in at 400 I would be closE
Its that or get another little rib!
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10-01-2014, 12:46 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: london
Occupation: Powerboat Skipper
Interests: Boats , bikes!
Boat name: Renegade
Boat make: GPV-RENEGADE
Engines: 150 HO etec
Cruising area: Thames, south coast, anywhere!
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: london
Posts: 2,330
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My race rigged with a 115 etec came in at 580kgs the lightest ocr rig will still be over 500kgs
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10-01-2014, 01:20 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Weston Super Mare
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Weston Super Mare
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plus fuel plus trailer in it dudes
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10-01-2014, 02:09 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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I don't think it's happening then! This also would mean putting skis in The van which I'd also a big nono! Back to the drawing board I feel!
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10-01-2014, 10:06 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
Posts: 3,095
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Ali Trailer !! My Bernico 19 Yam V4 fully race rigged is under 700kg from memory trailer is around 140kg
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12-01-2014, 11:08 AM
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Registered User
Country: SOUTH WEST UK
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Occupation: MERCEDES SALESMAN
Interests: POWER BOAT RACING
Boat name: BIG AIR
Boat make: PHANTOM 19
Engines: 200XS
Cruising area: BRISTOL CHANNEL
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Posts: 792
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Ring on E Bay
Ring 16 with Yamaha 90 on e bay might be suitable? having been overtaken by boats with Yam 90's they go very well.Nic
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12-01-2014, 01:34 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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Saw that one nic, but already have the hull. I am keeping my eye on it though as jetski sold today so depending on price could just have the motor off it
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12-01-2014, 06:14 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
Engines: Yamaha Pro V 115
Cruising area: UK, France
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Devon
Posts: 3,095
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I have a few 90 Yams available ranging from £1700 to £2750 if. Of any interest.
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12-01-2014, 06:33 PM
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Registered User
Country: engalnd
Location: south west
Interests: ski racing
Boat name: Jack'd up, hellraiser
Boat make: Bernico 19 ET, ring 16
Engines: merc 135, merc 175, yam 90
Cruising area: Plymouth
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: south west
Posts: 1,176
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Always of interest Bob. I've currently got my eye on a 140 yam at 2k. Your a yam man though. would a 90 be a bit small on an 18?
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