Phantom - Page 6

Jon Fuller · 05-11-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rib builder

With the first option, we have replaced the heavy chopped matt, with multi axial, thus reducing weight, but at the same time increasing the strength.

MMMnn, I wonder why Steve Baker didn't think of this? Have you considered speaking to him about it? after all, he did build these things for 30 odd years and has a reputation for getting things pretty much right.

The 'stock' P21's weren't exactly heavy, in fact, far from it.

Hopefully not another chapter in 'improving things' like we've seen oh so many times!

I don't suppose you're also replacing/*improving* the Longits with foam are you?

Why does everyone think that first thing they should do is alter/change something that works perfectly well already?

I could understand you thinking there's possibly room for improvement once you'd built a few.

rib builder · 05-11-2007, 01:05 PM

Multi axial was not available when the boat was first designed, it is a fabric designed to replace old chopped strand fabrics. This material is not only being used in the marine industry but also areopace and motor racing due to its strength and lightness.

We wouldn't change an excellent design for the sake of. Whats the saying if it aint broke dont fix it...........................................

Jon Fuller · 05-11-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rib builder

Multi axial was not available when the boat was first designed, it is a fabric designed to replace old chopped strand fabrics. This material is not only being used in the marine industry but also areopace and motor racing due to its strength and lightness.

We wouldn't change an excellent design for the sake of. Whats the saying if it aint broke dont fix it...........................................

The design is from '87, but the build schedule was being tweeked way after that, the light, balsa cored aramat 21s were far more recent.

OK, good luck, but remember your last saying, it will haunt you if your 'improvents' turn out to be like everyone elses!

PS. you didn't answer the longit question, and it's important, as the rest of the schedule depends on it..

rib builder · 05-11-2007, 01:18 PM

No we aren't. Should we??

Jon Fuller · 05-11-2007, 01:19 PM

You sticking with one piece Douglas fir longits?

I may have sounded rather critical, which wasn't the intension.

The thing is, plenty of people seem to do this 'improving' thing, some legaly, some with their spoils of splashing. I find it odd that everyone wants to change things, before they've even tried the proven path. How will you possibly judge the 'improvement'?

It's possible to buy Steves designs, tooling and rights to build, but it's not possible to buy his reputation, which is actually the bit most people would like to have, as a kind, honest and friendly businessman, and as a builder/designer.

I genuinly wish you all the best with the P21 and as you've chosen to aquire the tooling and rights in the proper way, you have my utmost respect. I'd just really like to see someone continue the production of these great boats at a level that their heritage deserves.

rib builder · 05-11-2007, 01:44 PM

I agree . We just want to produce a top class boat.

Jon Fuller · 05-11-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rib builder

We just want to produce a top class boat.

That's good news.

As you have them already, I'm sure you'll agree that the tooling is absolutely superb! You'd look for a long time to find mouldings that are so straight & perfect.

Some dialogue with Steve might be handy, as i'm pretty certain you'll find he's tried most of the fandangled ideas along the way, and the schedule he produced and that I assume you have (feckin gert folder full of drawings & instructions) is the result of all that R&D. He is no fool.

jordaniel · 16-09-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rib builder

Yes, I understand that the boats from Trio were rather heavy!!

We will produce two types following the orginal drawings, ensuring that the layup is as specified.

Hi Can you pm me a price for a phantom 21 bare boat, not bothered about ce cert and were you are

Kind regards Ray

Cookee · 17-09-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jordaniel

Hi Can you pm me a price for a phantom 21 bare boat, not bothered about ce cert and were you are

Kind regards Ray

You'll do better here www.cobraribs.co.uk this thread hadn't been updated since 2007 until you posted!

jordaniel · 17-09-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookee

You'll do better here www.cobraribs.co.uk this thread hadn't been updated since 2007 until you posted!

thanks i'll have a look but i went down to the boat show and they had no phantoms there just ribs but there was a nice little phantom right next to them a white one with boatmad,com on it my 13year old told me buy it i told him i dont think john want's to sell that one so he now has it as his screen saver insted
would you have any idear of how good the build is from them

Regards Ray

Cookee · 17-09-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jordaniel

thanks i'll have a look but i went down to the boat show and they had no phantoms there just ribs but there was a nice little phantom right next to them a white one with boatmad,com on it my 13year old told me buy it i told him i dont think john want's to sell that one so he now has it as his screen saver insted
would you have any idear of how good the build is from them

Regards Ray

I don't know anyone that has bought one - we do the 19's but we haven't had a good look round the construction of one to tell let alone seen a used one to see how they last - maybe someone on here will be able to help?

What size was the one with a Boatmad sticker on? Was it Swipewipes?

jordaniel · 17-09-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookee

I don't know anyone that has bought one - we do the 19's but we haven't had a good look round the construction of one to tell let alone seen a used one to see how they last - maybe someone on here will be able to help?

What size was the one with a Boatmad sticker on? Was it Swipewipes?

Yeh the one J.F did like warlord the thing is big i had never seen one before as mine is only a p20 my son was WOW DAD WE HAVE GOT TO GET ONE OF THESE i said yeh but we have to sell the house,car,jet ski, oh yeh and the dogs as there is only this one so took the cheaper way and had a pic of it for his lap top

Regards Ray