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Old 17-09-2010, 07:13 PM   #1
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Phantom Identity crisis

I have an early Phantom 23. From photos sent to Mike Bellamy and Steve Baker, we thought that she was Cordite, one of only 2 inboard boats with light blue / dark blue colours. ( Cordite with a Rover, Salvo with twin Saab 2Litre and Uniflo with outboards)I have now removed the stern drive plate and the original gel coat is now exposed. She has been repainted several times, firstly in the light blue / dark blue combo, which is what fooled me. She is actually, correct dark blue sides, but white deck and white hull bottom. Steve recalls one more early Phantom, which may have been called "Four Seasons Roofing" which ran class 111 with a gas turbine engine!!!!!!, ( a third inboard boat) can anyone help. I am currently undertaking a full restoration, for racing next year, she is being fitted with a jaguar 4.2l 6 cyl, which was her last engine and period for '72 ish. i would like to know her original name if poss, otherwise she will be renamed and run as a Phantom 23 of that period. I know you guys and gals will know - regards.
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Old 22-09-2010, 07:52 PM   #2
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new information has come to light from Steve Baker and Mike Bellamy, and we believe that the identity of my boat must be that of "Four Seasons" which was originally fitted with a gas turbine engine for Class 111. cant find anything yet on net, so does anyone have any info please, pics would be ab fab. Cheers.
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Old 22-09-2010, 08:30 PM   #3
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Damn right pics would be fab, I'm up for seeing a P23 with a gas turbine up it's chuff!!

Is this the P23 that's been on ebay for ages?

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Old 23-09-2010, 12:46 AM   #4
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new information has come to light from Steve Baker and Mike Bellamy, and we believe that the identity of my boat must be that of "Four Seasons" which was originally fitted with a gas turbine engine for Class 111. cant find anything yet on net, so does anyone have any info please, pics would be ab fab. Cheers.

I would be very interested to know more about this and what turbine it ran and how well it went.
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Old 23-09-2010, 06:18 PM   #5
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i have done a huge amount of searching. The main man S.B can only remember 4 of these hulls and i've found pics of the other 3 to discount them. We recon its "Four Seasons" or "Four Seasons Roofing". I think that the one currently on boatsandoutboards is probably Cordite with the rover v8, but they wont respond to my emails for hull colour and pictures - shame. My one lastly had a jag 4.2 in her, which is whats going back in . i will post some pics for you soon, i'm still preparing hull for paint job.
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Old 29-09-2010, 05:55 PM   #6
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Finally all sorted, Mike Bellamy has now seen more pics and has confirmed it as his 1973 boat, built as a lightweight run around. All descriptions including repairs to windscreen (where someone drove it through a wave) are correct. GRP with balsa core, 3/4" transom with 3/4" inner. Fitted originally with jag 4.2 and volvo 200 outdrive, then his first experimental fixed surface drive was added, hence the alloy plate covering the hole!! fixed surface drive still in place to be reused, Nibral prop. some of you may remember her, white decks and hull, blue sides "LANCING MARINE CLASS 111 CHAMPIONSHIPS" was her name!!! OMG!!! from 1975 on, then sold in 1986. Mike is of course supplying me with all the necessary for the rebuild to how she used to be. I may have to change the name though, any suggestions??
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Out of interest I came across a photo of the Four Seasons Roofing P23.
Cowes 1980

I think she was called 'The Experiment' before that?
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Old 30-10-2010, 11:37 AM   #8
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many thanks for the pic, i now have pics of all the phantom 23 inboard boats from that period. my rebuild is well under way and i hope to have her ready to race next year. i am a complete **** when it comes to uploading pics onto web, when ive figured it out, i'll post some of the rebuild if anyones interested.
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email them to me at jon@boatmad.com and I'l sort it out.
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with a jaguar 4.2l 6 cyl, which was her last engine and period for '72 ish. i - regards.
Would love to see your Jag instalation when its done only its something i have earmarked to do . cheers CW.
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Old 30-10-2010, 06:44 PM   #11
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lancing Marine AKA Mike, is providing all the bits. I have collected a beautifully made pair of alloy exhaust manifolds and droppers, he is preparing the bell housing for a new gearbox and alterations to the flywheel. The original mounting bracket which bolts straight onto the block is sound and just requires paint, but i shall be replacing the mounts themselves. pics will follow when a bit further progressed. The original jabsco waterpump bolted to the port side overhead cam shaft, however my jag engine doesnt have this option being slightly newer, (its where the early rev counters connected) i will probably mount on the power stearing bracket and belt drive from front pulley. Engine going for a full rebuild next week, then paint, then fit. Maybe we will meet up at the next C.O.P.O.C do. regards Nick
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Just out of interest how did the Jag motors perform / stand up in marine use ? .. curious as they were never that reliable or strong on the road & to me seem a very strange choice for a race motor
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dont know - I'll let you know sometime next year. I have been advised to keep the twin carb setup rather than go triple. Having said that, my boat was a 1973/74 build, and im told the jag engine was removed just before it was sold to me, so 37 years with the same engine setup says something.
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Bit late now but, I owned Cordite in the 70s. Had to sell after a serious accident. A "friend" nicked the Sestral Compass when he saw the boat for sale, I think it was in the Medway area?
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Phantom 23

Hi i owned supersoft a leightweight carbon 23 hull with outbords was told it was one of three. Was told by steve it was raced with two 150 mercs and an 80 merc in the middle light blue hull with a strange tubelar trailer which weighed a ton the boat was bought by a freind of drivers a couple of years ago and again sold.i remember seeing the p 23 at the royal motor in sandbanks with the jag engine sat in the carpark for a few years
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Old 27-09-2016, 10:32 AM   #16
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Hi GT40 (?) CORDITE was the Phantom Co. boat built for the International boat show (cant remember which year) so it was fully kitted out. However, it was fiber glass as Carbon was not available in those days. Again I cant remember what the power plant was though. As I have said by the time I recovered the boat was sold by my friend Mike? and disappeared under the radar!

I had, used and raced in many different boats I'm trying to get photos together of them and when I do I'll post them.

Happy boating see Hi Tec 3000 that was my boat as well!
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I have an early Phantom 23. From photos sent to Mike Bellamy and Steve Baker, we thought that she was Cordite, one of only 2 inboard boats with light blue / dark blue colours. ( Cordite with a Rover, Salvo with twin Saab 2Litre and Uniflo with outboards)I have now removed the stern drive plate and the original gel coat is now exposed. She has been repainted several times, firstly in the light blue / dark blue combo, which is what fooled me. She is actually, correct dark blue sides, but white deck and white hull bottom. Steve recalls one more early Phantom, which may have been called "Four Seasons Roofing" which ran class 111 with a gas turbine engine!!!!!!, ( a third inboard boat) can anyone help. I am currently undertaking a full restoration, for racing next year, she is being fitted with a jaguar 4.2l 6 cyl, which was her last engine and period for '72 ish. i would like to know her original name if poss, otherwise she will be renamed and run as a Phantom 23 of that period. I know you guys and gals will know - regards.

See my comment above to Nick GT40
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