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Old 05-05-2006, 06:04 AM   #81
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theres a sheet of a4 laminated on the deck,have a look for that
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Old 05-05-2006, 06:30 AM   #82
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thanks for repeating what I wrote Rockey

no prob's but just wanted to make clear it's under the deck not on the deck , never seen one on the deck? must be a a splash
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Old 05-05-2006, 09:44 AM   #83
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i have had two rings, and only one had the laminated paper, but they both had the date stamped on the back!
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:33 PM   #84
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A Ring 20 at 20'10" is a much bigger boat than a Phantom 20 at 6m and behaves like it. A Ring 20 does not have to be faster than a 21.The 21 does have a lot more room in it than a 20 but my 21 does not have a sundeck. I have raced 20's and 21's of both Phantom and Rings in single and twins. The problem with Ring 20's for me has always been not running in a straight line but turning corners - they tend to be very light and twitchy. The Phantom 20 corners on a sixpence and I would have said was almost impossible to hook. I have seen a Phantom 20 with twin std. 200 Mercs driven by Lenny Croxden and used in skiracing and the most horsepower I have had on one was provided by an old XR2 with a Land and Sea turbo! Phantom 21's are totally viceless - you can trim them all the way out and pick your nose with the other hand! They float very high in the water (even as a twin) with lots of freeboard providing a dry ride for passengers. In fact I have always considered them a little bit boring- the Ring 21 on the other hand is a different matter. If you can put too much horsepower on a Ring 21 you wouldn't know it! Have you looked at the 21 Cyclone - loads of room, fast, stable and as expensive as you want to make it.
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Old 05-05-2006, 01:39 PM   #85
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A Ring 20 at 20'10" is a much bigger boat than a Phantom 20 at 6m and behaves like it. A Ring 20 does not have to be faster than a 21.The 21 does have a lot more room in it than a 20 but my 21 does not have a sundeck. I have raced 20's and 21's of both Phantom and Rings in single and twins. The problem with Ring 20's for me has always been not running in a straight line but turning corners - they tend to be very light and twitchy. The Phantom 20 corners on a sixpence and I would have said was almost impossible to hook. I have seen a Phantom 20 with twin std. 200 Mercs driven by Lenny Croxden and used in skiracing and the most horsepower I have had on one was provided by an old XR2 with a Land and Sea turbo! Phantom 21's are totally viceless - you can trim them all the way out and pick your nose with the other hand! They float very high in the water (even as a twin) with lots of freeboard providing a dry ride for passengers. In fact I have always considered them a little bit boring- the Ring 21 on the other hand is a different matter. If you can put too much horsepower on a Ring 21 you wouldn't know it! Have you looked at the 21 Cyclone - loads of room, fast, stable and as expensive as you want to make it.

Hi .. thanks for the advice .. can you conclude more about the Ring 21? When you say you wouldn't know it re the BHP .. what exactly do you mean? It handle the power well? Thanks
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Old 05-05-2006, 02:49 PM   #86
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remember, theres:

the 6ft beam 21

and

the 7ft beam 21 (a la extreme 21 hull)
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Old 05-05-2006, 03:11 PM   #87
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stand to be corrected . . but . . lenney & Brett Croxon's boat was 21 with twin merc 2.5s . . unless they did have another one proir to this as I bought it, see left pic!
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Old 05-05-2006, 04:06 PM   #88
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Welcome on board Gary: someone else chained to a microprocessor with too much time on their hands!

I'll buy you a beer at Allhallows if you'll return the favour...

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Old 05-05-2006, 04:27 PM   #89
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[ The Phantom 20 corners on a sixpence and I would have said was almost impossible to hook.}


I beg to differ here ...I've had first had experience of a phantom 20, and fast cornering you are almost certainly going to hook. I know iwas an observer in an f3 ski race at deeside and got soaked because i was flung clean out the boat as she nearly flipped over our skier was pissing himself laughing at us
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Old 05-05-2006, 04:30 PM   #90
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stand to be corrected . . but . . lenney & Brett Croxon's boat was 21 with twin merc 2.5s . . unless they did have another one proir to this as I bought it, see left pic!
Do you imagine that someone might start out in ski racing with a 21P twin rig? Lenny had LOADSA boats before that one.
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yep am aware of that, but wanst to sure if he had a twin rigged 20ft phantom!
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Old 05-05-2006, 07:53 PM   #92
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Lenny's Phantom 20 twin was long before his last 21. It was red and called Adrenaline (done in real gold leaf) to pull Martin Brooks. I think it was done as an experiment and didn't last very long as I don't think Lenny enjoyed driving it. Last time I spoke to him he still had the Hallett though. There's plenty of very experienced offshore powerboat drivers who would jump into any Phantom but won't touch a Ring and I'm not saying it's impossible to hook a Phantom 20 - just difficult. The first turn at the end of the Diamond Race stretcher leg is a good example - turning in five abreast nobody else could live with it - always thought they were uncomfortable to ride in though.
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Old 05-05-2006, 07:56 PM   #93
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Bud - I'll look forward to buying you a beer or two at Allhallows just as long as you get the extension lead out for the camper!
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Old 07-05-2006, 10:48 PM   #94
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Hi Capt, whats the difference between the C and D Ring 20's?
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