Phoney Phantoms (in this case Chaudron) - Page 14

bert · 07-09-2005, 08:50 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Captain Chaos

to comprehend how much work goes into the plug/ development etc...........only to have some one polish & copy it.

whats all this then

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Originally posted by Captain Chaos
Dan,

wait untill the doom & gloom weather comes & our Man Gav is better. He's sorting the cowlings & I've already sorted the decals.

they should be some way cheaper than £300

rama · 07-09-2005, 10:18 PM

Matt, If you splashed a chowdown what would you call it?
Personaly I think Phantom would be a good name.

Matt · 07-09-2005, 10:51 PM

The irony of splashing a chowdross quite appeals to me.
Naturally I would make significant improvements to it along the way and call it my own design.

Captain Chaos · 08-09-2005, 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by bert
Whats all this then

have no fear my freind,

(A) we are going to significantly improve it
(B) it wont fit in the original alien cowl moulds
(C) we are going to manufacture it in another country
(D) we are going to call them "ET Cowls"

thats should cover it!

bert · 08-09-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally posted by Captain Chaos
have no fear my freind,

(A) we are going to significantly improve it
(B) it wont fit in the original alien cowl moulds
(C) we are going to manufacture it in another country
(D) we are going to call them "ET Cowls"

thats should cover it!

all this for only £300 notes sound a great deal my engine manufacturer wanted 3x that i`ll probably have one of yours as long as its not a copy that would be just as bad as a certain maltesse boat builder wouldn`t it ????

Captain Chaos · 08-09-2005, 02:17 PM

Bert............ You STILL dont get it do you!

bert · 08-09-2005, 07:12 PM

what YOUR opinion maybe you should spell it out oh great one

Captain Chaos · 08-09-2005, 07:31 PM

i'm not great, I'm not even close to beng plain 'good'.

But i understand that theres a huge difference between:

(A) making a copy of a little engine cover (which I'm still not wholeheartidly in favour of, hence why mines all genuine!).......note not the engine itself! They're gonna be essentially non or minumum profit at the kind of figures thats been discussed!

AND

(B) Splashing months of someones work, years of development, £1000's of sunken costs.............then not only selling them at a huge personal profit, claiming theyre better to boot.

Now listen matey, we each have our own tastes etc. Your 21 was looking quite sharp at cowes. But I think this particular disscusion is a bit 'case closed'..............I must have repeated meself atleast 5 times on this thread!

Matt · 08-09-2005, 07:34 PM

This one's not a splash:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/technostv/photoalbum5.html

Captain Chaos · 08-09-2005, 07:43 PM

where do you ig this stuff up from lanky!

bert · 08-09-2005, 07:57 PM

people will always copy steal other peoples designs history is full of it weather we are talking about cowlings watches powerboats or any other product from any industry the world is full of crooks mostly at the top of there game praying on the decent man but buisness does not protect the nice guy its down to survival of the fittest or the guy with the deapest pockets you may not like it but thats life

admiration to jon and others for sticking up for sb his mate a great british boat designer and educating people about chauldren

but this aside sb has retired and no longer building boats so it looks like the crook has won in this case he maybe claiming the designs are his and of course say they are better he can hardly say they are the same can he but if his moulds are not within 10% he is not breaking any law weather you agree with this law or not

the next generation of performance boaters will be faced with buying a 20 year old boat or a copy of the great design which one do you think they will buy

this is just how i see it

the end agreed this is far to long and serious

kinfast · 09-09-2005, 02:06 AM

Jon your web site is for people who are "mad about boats" am I correct. Or is mad about only great boats designed 20 yrs ago but you can't buy a new 1 now?
I am personally just mad about any good looking & high performance boat. No boat prejudiced!!
This forum is for discussing fake phantoms. Is this only if you agree with your view? You won't take me up on my offer to measure our boats which prove you right or possibly wrong.
What are u affraid of?

SB did not go out of business, he retired. he is not a young man.
If you know SB so well & you want people to buy legit phantoms & not Chaudrons. Ask him who has the moulds for his larger boats & then tell us all. So mad boaters can buy a great boat & keep you happy.

To finish: I must remember, if I'm overtaking you in the boat Jon,
I should give you really wide berth. Because that bloody great chip on your shoulder must hinder your view somewhat!

Captain Chaos · 09-09-2005, 12:43 PM

Kinfast......My 21 is from the original moulds. For your info 16/18 are with Clive Jones, 20/21/23 are with Trios. I'm unaware that the 25 was sold on at all. The 28 was sold abroad and I suspoect was then sold-on quickly.......so nobody really knows. As for asking SB, why would he know??? do you know who owns your first car now?

With regards to JF having a chip on his shoulder, you've obviosely never met him...he's a very generous, kind person & lots of fun!

If you have had mett him, you'd realise he's much more balanced than that............ he has chips on both shoulders

Now, can i pollitely ask for you to stop being a nob?

Ben · 09-09-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by kinfast

if I'm overtaking you in the boat Jon,

Unlikely if the description of your boat given as 33' w/ twin 225's is accurate. Further, JF has won numerous national championships and holds the record for production class boats.

Your credentials?

Ciao · 09-09-2005, 01:46 PM

Phantom UK
Phantom 16'
Phantom 18'
Phantom 5.5 meter Rib, modeled on the hull of the Phantom 16'.

http://www.phantomuk.co.uk/

Phantom Evolution

Phantom 21 Rib, modeled on the hull of the Phantom 21'.

http://www.powerboatcentre.com/contact.htm

These are the only legit produced Phantoms I can find.

bert · 09-09-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by kinfast

1 I am personally just mad about any good looking & high performance boat. No boat prejudiced!!

2 To finish: I must remember, if I'm overtaking you in the boat Jon,
I should give you really wide berth. Because that bloody great chip on your shoulder must hinder your view somewhat!

1 if this is true why are you botherd about measuring boats we all know that they are going to be at least 10% different

2 if this had happened to any of my close mates i would have a chip on my shoulder

Captain Chaos · 09-09-2005, 01:53 PM

now your getting it

deadrise · 09-09-2005, 02:18 PM

Is this one of Steve bakers too?

Captain Chaos · 09-09-2005, 02:21 PM

nope thats an american

deadrise · 09-09-2005, 02:24 PM

God, id be worried about buying a fake Phantom at this rate!!!

Where will it all end?

Seriously, the boat above is a 34 foot Phantom and a seriosly cool looking bit of kit. Anyone know anything about them?