Phoney Phantoms (in this case Chaudron) - Page 16

Gav · 27-09-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Raffshore

In the end it's only floating polyester

or "splashed polyester"

Raffshore · 27-09-2005, 05:39 PM

Hey Gav how does the 600xs run?
Who's design?

Gav · 27-09-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Raffshore
Hey Gav how does the 600xs run?
Who's design?

Runs very good ta. It's a John Haines design( Aussie ski race champ)

Tony Davis · 27-09-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by Raffshore

Weren't you building ringcats at the time?

Guilty as charged, although I haven't ever moulded one. Mike Ring did one for me when I bought the moulds, but have been busy building mono's so I haven't got round to finishing it yet! It's my next job in a couple of weeks time.

I've now sold the moulds to a friend in Belgium, who is just about to mould his second one, with advice from Nico I believe.

What happened to the orange one in your yard?

Captain Chaos · 27-09-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by Raffshore
No idea, but why is this important?

Its not at all..............I'd just love to know, for knowings sake. Basically, if i want to buy a 28 phantom, where would i need to go?

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Originally posted by Raffshore
Do you know that skater is building V bottems for some bige name boat builders.
Do you know that Sea Ray has a factory in Poland?
So does Janneau and other even English top of the line boats.

thats all irrrelevant!

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Originally posted by Raffshore
In the end it's only floating polyester

Indeed it is. I'd hope as a boatbuilder you'd be a little more passionate about it though

Raffshore · 27-09-2005, 06:03 PM

Did you buy the molds?

Is it pad bottem?

How fast?

Gav · 27-09-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Raffshore
Did you buy the molds?

Is it pad bottem?

How fast?

Yes the moulds were bought, no pad, its a stepped & vented hull. Speed with a stock 200 is approx upper 60's...

Raffshore · 27-09-2005, 06:16 PM

To Captain Chaos:

I am sorry for the polyester joke, believe I am very very passionated by boats and building them. I stand up and go to sleep with idea's for new models, faster hulls etc.

We are doing an all carbonfiber F2 boat now for an American client.

A phantom 28? I'll look up the number in Holland and send it to you if you want

Raffshore · 27-09-2005, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Gav
Yes the moulds were bought, no pad, its a stepped & vented hull. Speed with a stock 200 is approx upper 60's...

It looks very nice and light. Are you also racing them?

Captain Chaos · 27-09-2005, 06:29 PM

Raff,

I couldnt afford one should I want one............theres always been some confusion over who has the moulds thats all. Although I do think they are very nice.

Will you update the website when your 19 is done? Theres a ski racing fella at my ski-club who is just selling his Ring 20. I think he's quite keen on your new boat. cant remember hi name though!

Raffshore · 27-09-2005, 06:44 PM

The new website will be online soon, we are to busy building boats right now

FrenchPhil · 27-09-2005, 06:47 PM

TD, is the Belgian friend who's making the cats also selling them as well ?

Tony Davis · 27-09-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by FrenchPhil
TD, is the Belgian friend who's making the cats also selling them as well ?

That's the plan, although he only bought the moulds a while ago! One of my guys went out and helped laminate the first one, and he was back over a couple of weeks ago to collect materials for the second one!

Raffshore · 27-09-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Tony Davis
Guilty as charged, although I haven't ever moulded one. Mike Ring did one for me when I bought the moulds, but have been busy building mono's so I haven't got round to finishing it yet! It's my next job in a couple of weeks time.

I've now sold the moulds to a friend in Belgium, who is just about to mould his second one, with advice from Nico I believe.

What happened to the orange one in your yard?

I think it went to south africa, have you ever driven yours? I heard rumours that its a good rough water boat but not fast

Jon Fuller · 27-09-2005, 07:24 PM

Raffshore.

I think we need to establish some facts here.

If you did indeed 'hire' a mould from someone and only built two 'white' phoney Phantom 28's, as you're in the boatbuilding business, and no doubt well informed, you'll have known that you were building them without the designers permission, or licence! so if they were 'your' moulds, or not, you are a copyright thief and a splasher.

However, I suspect you've built far more than the two you speak of, after all, you advertise them on your website! " no wave too high, no motor too big". (or similar)

Here's a couple of pics of one of the white ones, at your factory.

note the style of graphics, particularly atop the screen.

Also note the style of the Phantom 28 logo you felt entitled to stick on said copy.

Jon Fuller · 27-09-2005, 07:28 PM

Whilst this next pic doesn't show it clearly, and the side stickers have been removed, you can see that the sticker atop the screen happens to be identical, as were the side ones before the change.

Jon Fuller · 27-09-2005, 07:29 PM

Now take a look at the Phantom 28 logo on this one.......look familiar??

Ciao · 27-09-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
Raffshore.

you are a copyright theif and a splasher.

Welcome to Boatmad Raf!

Jon Fuller · 27-09-2005, 07:33 PM

With the evidence mounting, I doubt very much that you weren't also the builder of this pile of shite! this beauty really gives Phantom boats a good name! no wonder you wanna distance yourself from it.
I've never seen such a poorly made boat.

Tony Davis · 27-09-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by Raffshore
I think it went to south africa, have you ever driven yours? I heard rumours that its a good rough water boat but not fast

No, not yet, although I did drive one of Mikes before I did the deal! It's an excellent rough water boat, but is no faster than an equivalent Ring or Phantom with the same power.