Resurrect the Cowes - Torquay - Page 4

Matt · 02-10-2007, 07:25 AM

Yeh, and JF & Puddifoot are

buddies, so I'm sure they'll be keen to help.

Jon Fuller · 02-10-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by verytricky

In summary, you can definately do it, but it would probably be better to organise it 'within the rules' by using an RYA affiliated club, and running it as a basic race, with event licences for the competitors. An RYA affiliated club may be able to negotiate a financial deal with the RYA for a block of event licences, and getting the various permissions or approvals to run the event from the harbourmasters will be a lot easier!

I agree with almost all of what you say. though I think, (even though we're talking about you here) that the Mafias instilled fear of trying to proceed with even breathing without them holding ones hand is as good a reason as any to do it without even telling them, let alone 'with' them.

I believe that there's a hell of a lot to learn from Ski Racing in terms of organising waterborn racing at a reasonable budget, they appear to be 10 flights of stairs above all other Ocean Racing categories, and not surprisingly, their genre is still popular.

My fear::::

First year, basic everything, loads of smiles and 'can't wait till next year' comments.

Second year. Well fellas, last year was a great success, so we really need to get you working to tighter rules, ideally with measurement certs, and to be honest, your the only class remaining, so we're going to have to also introduce a calendar fee of 10k (someones gotta pay for that insurance) oh, and we think everyone should hold an international licence (someones gotta pay my wages)...have a great race, anything I can do, just shout.

Third year. OK, there're less of you this year (I wonder why) but we still need to generate the cash, so.... licences will be going up a bit, as we've formulated a 'special event' licence just for the CTC, aren't we good. That'll be £750. (I've given myself a wage rise, and our international travel expenses have taken a surprising leap in recent years. Also, we're gonna have to 'up' the calendar fee to 15K, sorry, but there are even less other classes to help you pay now (that we've bled em dry) and that insurance aint gettin any cheaper ya know.

We've also increased the measurement cert renewal to £1.75 million coz however hard we tried, we couldn't get our accounts to balance, so I hope you don't mind! (Oh, and we've agreed that the measurers can charge 25K, 20 of which they will obviously be giving to us, as it's us who press the "Print" button on the Hewlett Packard).

Fourth year. .Tumbleweed blows past....Where is everyone? this used to be a great event!
Announcement from RYA on their return from outer Mongolia, where they've organised an excellent event with high hopes for the future.

"Dear CTC racers, everyone really needs to sort em selves out! This race is on it's knees and you only have your selves to blame for the collapse of what promised to be such a great ongoing event, we worked our butts off and did all we could to help ensure it's sucess, and YOU let us down!!"

JP

You see where I'm going.

Mike Lloyd · 02-10-2007, 08:06 AM

There's one thing for sure Jon, you can make us smile on a rainy Tuesday morning.

By the way, you don't need qualifications to run such a race. I haven't one to my name. O.K, O.K, I know it shows!
ML.

Jon Fuller · 02-10-2007, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OldMan

There's one thing for sure Jon, you can make us smile on a rainy Tuesday morning.

There ya go you see! I bet it's sunny over the RYA office (pay day 2 days ago)

verytricky · 02-10-2007, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

I agree with almost all of what you say. though I think, (even though we're talking about you here) that ................

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.......You see where I'm going.

Straight to hell aparently.

Did you know that the devil has a little boat yard set aside for you JF. And every day you are going to have to drive and then clean and polish every single Chauderon that was ever built...

Seriously though, anyone participating who has aspirations of doing something 'official' in their future racing career would be looking for trouble, and that could cause less people to want to take part. Not that that is a bad thing either.

And having a few boats going accross for a race run under the newly organised British Powerboat Association, rather than some maverick running something with no organisational backing would be an alternative way to go.

You would then find insurance and permissioning easier to arrange, and reduce your liability should anything go wrong.

Jon Fuller · 02-10-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by verytricky

And having a few boats going accross for a race run under the newly organised British Powerboat Association, rather than some maverick running something with no organisational backing would be an alternative way to go.

You would then find insurance and permissioning easier to arrange, and reduce your liability should anything go wrong.

OK sounds great, easy, and fun, why has no one ever managed it in recent (last 15 years at least) times?

Luckily with forums, the statements remain, we shall re-visit this thread in something of a post mortem in years to come, hopefully, history will show that you proved I was the one that had it all wrong!

verytricky · 02-10-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by verytricky

... under the newly organised British Powerboat Association...

Aparently too late, One of your friends has already been there done that according to Buzzi...

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In 30hr 51’ the FB_80' has dusted all previous records of the Norman Mackinnon Trophy. Just 15 days prior to the FB 80’ attempt, Peter Dredge (secretary of the British Powerboat Association) together with Ian Sanderson had completed the round Britain challenge in 39hr. 55’ with a Sunseeker XS 2000 boat designed by Fabio Buzzi. Assisted by favourable meteorological conditions, once again the FB 80’ demonstrated the superb reliability of all its components emphasizing the validity of the project.

cider daze · 02-10-2007, 05:28 PM

Hey Jon you organise a poker run down to Torquay and i will organise one back to Cowes,

TonyToll · 02-10-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

what motors u running on the RB?

Pair of 572 Cu in 700 HP normally aspirated

Jon Fuller · 02-10-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cider daze

Hey Jon you organise a poker run down to Torquay and i will organise one back to Cowes,

See Marc, we're halfway there already!

OK, lets start a list of those who'd partake, and not be concearned about upsetting the RYA (ie, not getting a licence in the future, because the Mafia have been upset)

And a list of those who would be bothered.

Maverick's who'd go for it (this is my take, I haven'y actually asked anyone)

Me
Nick Gilley
Tony Davis
Tony Toll
Roger Severy
Gareth Williams
Scott Younger
Tony Hamilton
John Burden (maybe)
Rory Power

and probably a few more from the RB fleet that I don't know.

those who probably wouldn't:

John Puddifoot
V-tricky
Gary Manchester
Matt Yorke
Vee Ganjavian
Adam Younger
Chris Strickland
Mike Deacon
Mike & Jackie....etc, etc

So yes, there's a good few that wouldn't wanna do it, but the way things are now, which class exactly would they be saving this RYA licence for?? to join the swathes of 3C boats, or V24s??

there's only Honda and the Zaps isn't there?

Ho Hum

Jon Fuller · 02-10-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyToll

Pair of 572 Cu in 700 HP normally aspirated

The Sterlings??

there ya go then. why would my rules stop you?

Jon Fuller · 02-10-2007, 05:48 PM

CTC-1 max engine capacity 13 litre multi engine, 9 litre single, minimum length 24 feet, minimum weight 1500 kilos.

CTC-2 max engine capacity 17 litres, minimum length 30 feet, minimum weight 3000kgs

No canopies, no forced induction petrol engines, or headers in CTC-1 & CTC-2.

CTC-3 anything bigger & badder than the above (open rules inc canopies).

The above is based roughly on the old 'T' class rules.

No measurement certificate required, if it looks like it's outside the rules, the scrutineers will decide on the day, no arguments.

Cats in separate class maybe. (if at all)

TonyToll · 02-10-2007, 09:29 PM

Something like a poker run to Torquay and back would be great, given that I am an old has been in racing terms I am not up to speed with the politics nowadays.
What I do know is races like the CTC and the needles trophy were to me the opitomy of what offshore racing was all about, that's how I became interested and as a kid, and set me on a track to one day get a cigarette. I am pleased to say I got one somehow but what happened to the races along the way?
I can't say I care much for the canopied boats of today but can see the benefits at over 100mph, as mine is sub warp speed I am happy to take my chances just the way it is.
As for the motors I think 572ci is just over 9 litres but I could be wrong.

SplitPin · 02-10-2007, 09:56 PM

Hi Tony. You probably don't know me, but you do know my older brother Ian Atlee. He navigated in Miss Behaviour while you were in Poco Homes with Steve.

Graham.

Cookee · 03-10-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyToll

What I do know is races like the CTC and the needles trophy were to me the opitomy of what offshore racing was all about,

You won't believe this, but I got my name on the Needles trophy - in a RIB!

At least it was designed by a proper designer - Lorne Campbell!

Jon Fuller · 03-10-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookee

You won't believe this, but I got my name on the Needles trophy - in a RIB!

OK, so the Needles Trophy has been defiled and is now worthless!...But, there are still some pots out there that we'd like our name on, coz they're still prestigeous.

I had a similar situation (getting credited where i didn't really belong)

The Shakespeare Trophy, for the highest average speed attained in a UKOBA race for the season.

It runs from 1984 and is covered in names like Carr, Allenby, Toleman, Clarke, Yoeman, Holmes, Hood, Bourne, Strutton, Burnett. ....then in '97... Fuller! in a 'T' boat! An absolute travesty, just like the Needles Trophy!

Jon Holmes · 03-10-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TonyToll

Something like a poker run to Torquay and back would be great, given that I am an old has been in racing terms I am not up to speed with the politics nowadays.
What I do know is races like the CTC and the needles trophy were to me the opitomy of what offshore racing was all about, that's how I became interested and as a kid, and set me on a track to one day get a cigarette. I am pleased to say I got one somehow but what happened to the races along the way?
I can't say I care much for the canopied boats of today but can see the benefits at over 100mph, as mine is sub warp speed I am happy to take my chances just the way it is.

Well put old Chap, you sound like a right Maverick to me

Jon Holmes · 03-10-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

OK, lets start a list of those who'd partake, and not be concerned about upsetting the RYA (ie, not getting a licence in the future, because the Mafia have been upset)

Maverick's who'd go for it (this is my take, I haven'y actually asked anyone)

Me
Nick Gilley
Tony Davis
Tony Toll
Roger Severy
Gareth Williams
Scott Younger
Tony Hamilton
John Burden (maybe)
Rory Power

and probably a few more from the RB fleet that I don't know.

Ther are some Great names in that list Jon, but who the hell is Me?

Jon Fuller · 03-10-2007, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Turnip1

Ther are some Great names in that list Jon, but who the hell is Me?

Some wanker with a big mouth.

Adam · 03-10-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

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those who probably wouldn't:

John Puddifoot
V-tricky
Gary Manchester
Matt Yorke
Vee Ganjavian
Adam Younger
Chris Strickland
Mike Deacon
Mike & Jackie....etc, etc

So yes, there's a good few that wouldn't wanna do it, but the way things are now, which class exactly would they be saving this RYA licence for?? to join the swathes of 3C boats, or V24s??

there's only Honda and the Zaps isn't there?

Ho Hum

Don't know about that - still deciding what is next.

Hoping RB comes off for me - but depending on backing. Then looking at some other options, one or two which might surprise.

Going to do something, but has to be right in terms of promoting my business, being fun and being well organised. All of which strngly limits the UK options!

Otherwsie for CTC - just have to race in disguise!