Speeding/Lymington

[stats007]

My boat is moored in Lymington Yacht Haven and I've not had an issue with the HM. I agree with comments about the dinghys though...

[double scampi]

I think the issue is more one of a consistent approach. HM are there to treat all users of the water against a set of rules. When a yacht or motor cruiser speeds up the river at 10 knots and they turn a blind eye that's not fair. They may well pay duty to moor there boats throughout the year but that does not give them a right to flout the rules. Apply them consistently for all.

[pcm]

As I thought this was all about enviromental impact caused by excessive wash. And excessive use of speed. At least the endangering other river users charge was dropped.
400 quid fine with 775 quid costs.
So I'm now sure I've been hung out to dry as this years poster boy for dad behaviour by power boaters in lymington.

[DAVE]

Strewth..................

[Ringmaster]

Shite.....! They didn't like you! Bloody toosers!

[Catweazle]

there watching you.

http://www.windermerelocal.co.uk/vid...errerPath=home

[Renegade]

Just read up on the byelaws and harbour limts, are the are the channel markers showing speed limits??

[double scampi]

With respect, I think you have missed the point. If you or I go up the river in a powerboat at 6 knots creating more wash than the sailing yacht that passes you doing 10 knots one has breached the bye laws and its not the powerboat. If the powerboat gets hauled up in front of the HM they are chasing the wrong vessel in my opinion.

You also have to consider in these situations that HM employ expensive lawyers but do not benefit from any success rate at court. Any success goes to the treasury so they are chancing there arm that those who are challenged do not have the funding to challenge their evidence which in this case was without video or speed gun evidence. Catch 22 fit anyone who doesn't have a war chest.

Perhaps the lymington HM should take notice of the rules that apply to them. i am Minded given my profession to question why they feel they do not have to prepare their accounts in accordance with the rules specified by their governing document. Incur some additional expenditure yourself and feel the rathe of your regulators. Tooshey!

[Renegade]

No Matey, i was just a bit confused with details i guess. I read that you were at a certain mark but also it was a wash Issue.

On the Thames its 12knot limit but more about wash limitation so even if you do 6 knots but still push a wake then you must slow, ( illustrated in the post by CIAO in the venture cup thread.

I relation to this, with theThames speed limit, not it has come up its now SPEED THROUGH WATER when it suits the cause.

I would suggest anyone navigating tidal river approaches to look into this

[pcm]

speed limits are posted on all the posts, which i am quite aware of. Once you clear the posts all appears open water, but in fact a certain area is still under jurisdiction..
without a doubt in this area i was speeding...
try and find it in any chart
it can be found in the bylaws or on hmo's sign board outside the royal lymington cock club, sorry yacht club
in all honesty in the 25yrs ive used lymington ive never read them
perhaps when you pay to slip at lymington you should be given a printed copy of these areas
if they want to police these areas then do it justly and fairly.
with respect to the offence i committed i feel that it still could of been dealt with by caution.
certain comments contained within the staements were pure fabrication there to make things out to be worse than they actually were.
to get a charge dropped relating to section 4 of the bylaws, (read it, youll see how serious this could of gotten), i copped to the speeding, without being able to explain irregularities marked on the charts in relation to the offence
so be aware they have no way of capturing evidence
are more likely to fabricate whatever they like
and there is sweet fa you can do about it
small high performance boats are not welcome and will be watched very closely

V IS FOR VENDETTA

[Renegade]

Pretty crap matey. i bet they threw stuff at you like skipper should be aware of waters he navigates and reads notice to mariners blah blah blah..... I cant believe it seems more of a witch hunt than upholding laws.

[andymac]

Pete,I think renegade is right about witch hunt.when I came out with you the other month I was trolling out behaving myself(there's a first),and the hm came chasing after me threatening me with alsorts of fines and sh-t,for speeding on his river.I didn't even have my foot on the pedal.Anyway wouldn't you be better off launching elsewhere from now on? Maybe keyhaven or if not to far, Langstone harbour where you get a few nice boats most weekends.plus the approach isn't endless.cos over a grand a time in my view is a bit to much for a days fun.

[pcm]

hows you andy, fully agree mate but when either of the boats go out im gonna video all infringements and see what hm's river nazis do about it.
renegades right about the witchhunt, last year it was the prat that pulled a wakeboarder up the river he didnt go to court until hed received several warnings
i commit 1 offence and get shafted, reason , his rib was so slow he couldnt catch me , if i had seen him i would of stopped, u shoulda seen the statements , utter bollox mate. keeping my angry head in its box for now, but

N IS FOR NEMESIS

[andymac]

Yeah I'm good mate,




P is for PHANTOM !!

[Rapier]

Use the law to frustrate. In any office there will specific copyright infringements, photocopies made of copyrighted material not owned, maps & pictures, computers with pirated software, PRS not paid for, etc. Anon calls to relevant people to investigate. Find out if employees holding down 2nd jobs and not declaring income / payments cash in hand, benefits not entitled to, etc and dob them in to the relevant authorities. Any investigation will take time and put most under a cloud. Most employees get well oiled Friday nights in local riverside/harbourside bars, an early morning shift and driver on commute filmed with a GoPro or similar and police called if you believe driving not up to standard. 9 times out of 10 alcohol will still be in sufficient evidence in bloodstream. General time-wasting is fun and costs money, write letters to the HM then swap their replied reference numbers around so someone has to hunt in a file to find. Get all your mates to bombard with silly queries. Bit like passive resistance and fun too.

Unfortunately there is a serious side to this and that is having gone through this trial you might be reluctant to wine, dine, park, or go boating in the area and in this day and age with the net, such an experience spreads very quickly around communities who tend to boycott areas they're not welcome in. Here no one from our club is prepared to eat in this village, or at least park there now, because a whole bunch got fined for parking longer than the 4 hour limit, was years ago, but memories of officiousness and £60 fines seldom fade.

[It's-Never-too-rough]

Originally Posted by Rapier

Use the law to frustrate. In any office there will specific copyright infringements, photocopies made of copyrighted material not owned, maps & pictures, computers with pirated software, PRS not paid for, etc. Anon calls to relevant people to investigate. Find out if employees holding down 2nd jobs and not declaring income / payments cash in hand, benefits not entitled to, etc and dob them in to the relevant authorities. Any investigation will take time and put most under a cloud. Most employees get well oiled Friday nights in local riverside/harbourside bars, an early morning shift and driver on commute filmed with a GoPro or similar and police called if you believe driving not up to standard. 9 times out of 10 alcohol will still be in sufficient evidence in bloodstream. General time-wasting is fun and costs money, write letters to the HM then swap their replied reference numbers around so someone has to hunt in a file to find. Get all your mates to bombard with silly queries. Bit like passive resistance and fun too.

Unfortunately there is a serious side to this and that is having gone through this trial you might be reluctant to wine, dine, park, or go boating in the area and in this day and age with the net, such an experience spreads very quickly around communities who tend to boycott areas they're not welcome in. Here no one from our club is prepared to eat in this village, or at least park there now, because a whole bunch got fined for parking longer than the 4 hour limit, was years ago, but memories of officiousness and £60 fines seldom fade.

I'll try not to piss you off then!

[Rapier]

lol. On water officialdom is filled with people who aren't reasonable, or prepared to say, please don't do it again.., or are you aware.., for xyz reason.. - it's all about who can we nail, or lets make an example of, or what can we charge for facilities paid in local taxes / donated. And for the most part they apply sanction indiscriminately and with such a heavy hand; mirrored in local courts, whether deliberate or not; with fines so high they are completely out of kilter with the implications of the offence. Oh, and don't get me started on 'victim surcharge' for such an offence...

[pcm]

forgot about that bit 15 quid for victim surcharge