US boat builders ??

[Jono]

Originally posted by Speed
I agree.....

Good...

Originally posted by Speed
.... A basic oceanography course would help the lad. [/B]

....then somewhat let down by another childish jibe...

[Speed]

Non beaked and almost 87 mph in 1979, impressive.



The Fountain logo has been slightly refined as well.

[Speed]

Originally posted by Jono
Good...



....then somewhat let down by another childish jibe...

No, that is a fact and not a "childish jibe". Anybody who has had BASIC oceanography would know the difference between a sea and an ocean.

[MikeyFIN]

Originally posted by Speed
I agree. But for some reason Mikey believes the sea is more hostile than an ocean. A basic oceanography course would help the lad.

A Basics of waveform would help you out...which has more treacherous waters shallow or deep water?
Remember the most treacherous waters recently might be the indian ocean.
The sea is more hostile because of the shallowness.
North or Baltic...doesn´t matter.
Even those fishers living in Hull do agree...

You rant to Comanche about his Apache being basically a POS and rave on that fag-looking Reggie who builds mass production boats.
Still every designer even in US agrees that a Deep non step Vee handles rough stuff better.
Just ask Larry Smith for example.

PS. Fastest ever Vee ain´t a Fountain....Far from it.

[MikeyFIN]

Originally posted by Speed
No, that is a fact and not a "childish jibe". Anybody who has had BASIC oceanography would know the difference between a sea and an ocean.

Yep that´s true.
And Titanic wasn´t sunk by an Ocean.
So Howcome the ocean is so dangerosu when the wavelength can be miles height being the same....

Which one do you rather tackle...a 30 footer with a 1/4 mile of a wavelength or one 10% of it in wavelength.
Those 30 footers here can swap a Ferries deck to a bottom here And The Baltic has had as many as wrecks on the last 200 yrs the Graveyard of Atlantic has.

I think Speed has a hard time saying yes here. Just like With Apache being a great boat...just the reputation behind it´s creators are what they are.
Me thinks Bobby Saccenti whould at least whoop Reggie anytime in a good chop, why you ask?
Answer: He can see over the dashboard

[Scottb]

On any given day, any of these bodies of water can be extremely treacherous and deadly. These are the times to leave the Fountain in the slip

[MikeyFIN]

And get Your old Wavecrusher OUT.

10 footers can be handled briliantly head on with at least a 38 KV or a 46 Cougar that I can tell from experience.
And they ain´t no slow ocean 10 footers but Hard an Snappy Sea ones.

[Speed]

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
A Basics of waveform would help you out...which has more treacherous waters shallow or deep water?

And what is the atlantic coast of NC and Va.? Shallow water.
Also, wave energy can build for hundrends of miles before it hits the coastline. It's called wave energy.

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
Remember the most treacherous waters recently might be the indian ocean.

The Indian what? OCEAN....

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
[B]The sea is more hostile because of the shallowness.
North or Baltic...doesn´t matter.

It's not more hostile it's just hostile. The Atlantic coast is shoreline with ever changing topography due to constant errosion.

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
Even those fishers living in Hull do agree...

Tell it the fisherman here, they would disagree. Remember the perfect storm?

The height of the storm
The Halloween Storm reached peak intensity at approximately 12:00 UTC 30 October 1991 with the lowest pressure being 972 millibars. This huge storm, with its associated high winds from the pressure gradient between the high and low, created huge waves. NOAA buoy 44011 located at 41.1° N, 66.6° W reported maximum sustained winds of 49 knots (91 km/h) with gusts to 65 kt (120 km/h) and a significant wave height of 39 feet (12 m) near 15:00 UTC. Buoy 44008 located at 40.5° N, 69.5° W reported maximum sustained winds of 53 kt with gusts to 63 kt (117 km/h) and a significant wave height of 31 ft (9 m) near 00:00 UTC on October 31.

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
You rant to Comanche about his Apache being basically a POS and rave on that fag-looking Reggie who builds mass production boats.
Still every designer even in US agrees that a Deep non step Vee handles rough stuff better.
Just ask Larry Smith for example.

I see now this is turning into a personal attack.

I said Apache was old technology and they are non competitive and are slower. That is fact. In reality I actually like Apache powerboats.

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
[B]PS. Fastest ever Vee ain´t a Fountain....Far from it.

Really? The record books and again the facts say otherwise.

http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/ne...04_vid_512.wmv

[Speed]

Originally posted by Scottb
On any given day, any of these bodies of water can be extremely treacherous and deadly. These are the times to leave the Fountain in the slip

Agreed, along witth the Pantera and the others.

Oh and remember what started this...

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
Guess you both dunno squat about some serious Stuff...just ask those who run in the North Sea or Baltic...So quit both of you.

[BluFin]

Oh and remember what started this...
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Originally posted by MikeyFIN
Guess you both dunno squat about some serious Stuff...just ask those who run in the North Sea or Baltic...So quit both of you.



For what it's worth the most dangerous water I have seen was a Public toilet in Addis Ababa.
The other two most dangerous places are the bloody bath & shower nearly fall over at leat 2-3 times a week .

[MikeyFIN]

Originally posted by Speed
And what is the atlantic coast of NC and Va.? Shallow water.
Also, wave energy can build for hundrends of miles before it hits the coastline. It's called wave energy.


The Indian what? OCEAN....

It's not more hostile it's just hostile. The Atlantic coast is shoreline with ever changing topography due to constant errosion.

No shit...constant erosion...REALLY ?
WOW I´m impressed..did your Sophmore teacher tell you that?
What do you think happens here?

Tell it the fisherman here, they would disagree. Remember the perfect storm?

The height of the storm
The Halloween Storm reached peak intensity at approximately 12:00 UTC 30 October 1991 with the lowest pressure being 972 millibars. This huge storm, with its associated high winds from the pressure gradient between the high and low, created huge waves. NOAA buoy 44011 located at 41.1° N, 66.6° W reported maximum sustained winds of 49 knots (91 km/h) with gusts to 65 kt (120 km/h) and a significant wave height of 39 feet (12 m) near 15:00 UTC. Buoy 44008 located at 40.5° N, 69.5° W reported maximum sustained winds of 53 kt with gusts to 63 kt (117 km/h) and a significant wave height of 31 ft (9 m) near 00:00 UTC on October 31.

Significant Wave heigth similar to what we had in 2004...nothing new here.
Happens almost every fall.
The Ferry Estonia got cought in such a wave ...40 miles form where I sit RIGHT Now. (Baltic Proper that is)
852 killed.
*Besides proper seamanship talks about wind speed in Meter/second not Km/H which is a land term. 63kt=33m/s and 53kt=27 m/s which is "normal here".
Yesterday we had close to 20m/s in -18C temps which you might think is uncommon.Or might not because of lack of knowledge.

Check

I see now this is turning into a personal attack.

I said Apache was old technology and they are non competitive and are slower. That is fact. In reality I actually like Apache powerboats.


Really? The record books and again the facts say otherwise.

http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/ne...04_vid_512.wmv

No more personal than your attack on anyone else...you get what you ask.

Apache isn´t old technology compared to step bottoms in fact stepped bottoms have been way earlier than deep V´ees.
In WW2 Every damn Torpedo boat we had was Step bottoms. Tri-Steps.
Italians invented them in the early 1900´s.

And you probably don´t know that Reggie lets Douglas Marine build the race fountains, so they are Tadaa..Skaters with a Fountain logo.
So you´ve been...

[Dunaruna]

The toughest hull is for sure Apache and not just the Hull
the build quality of the older & new boat is extreme.

The panteras today do build a tough layup no doubt.

Cigarette is an excellent product but an Apache fairs better over time even with a non stepped hull.

Doing 90 mph in a flat sea with a heavy boat can be tedious

The cigarette with big power & stepped hull has the Edge & speed
for sure.

When the conditions get rough i would rather go Apache.
Thats my 2c Build Quality again Apache.No Doubt

Comparison taken from 2005 42 Apache 46 CIG RR same power.

[Dunaruna]

Some of you guys in the UK have Formulas.
a photo of my 357 with 454sSC not a bad boat Runs High 60s/mph

[MikeyFIN]

Originally posted by BluFin
Oh and remember what started this...
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Originally posted by MikeyFIN
Guess you both dunno squat about some serious Stuff...just ask those who run in the North Sea or Baltic...So quit both of you.



For what it's worth the most dangerous water I have seen was a Public toilet in Addis Ababa.
The other two most dangerous places are the bloody bath & shower nearly fall over at leat 2-3 times a week .

Public Toilet in Adis Abeba...agree.
Bath&shower is a killer. should be forbidden.
I have a Shower and Sauna.

But where did they race Bathtubs, prolly US?

[MikeyFIN]

Originally posted by Dunaruna
The toughest hull is for sure Apache and not just the Hull
the build quality of the older & new boat is extreme.

What do you men old/new hull ?
Bobby Saccenti McManus or Allen built ?

The panteras today do build a tough layup no doubt.

Cigarette is an excellent product but an Apache fairs better over time even with a non stepped hull.

Doing 90 mph in a flat sea with a heavy boat can be tedious

The cigarette with big power & stepped hull has the Edge & speed
for sure.

When the conditions get rough i would rather go Apache.
Thats my 2c Build Quality again Apache.No Doubt

Comparison taken from 2005 42 Apache 46 CIG RR same power.

Whatabout Outerlimits, Saber Marine or Powerplay
Saber is also making a 41 "Apache hull".
And Powerplay has proved it´s mettle as also Outerlimits.

Also a TeamScarab built Scarab (=Larry Smith built) is just as strong as an Apache.

And Scarabs are their own design.

[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by MikeyFIN
And Powerplay has proved it´s mettle

[Dunaruna]

Hey whats all teh aggro.
And whats the first Fkkn post in this thread.

I would rather this be a positive thread about good Fkkn
Boats and no fkkin Bullshit.

[Jon Fuller]

Looks like the 'Apache' legacy is alive and well in England too!

[Dunaruna]

Oh yeah did a sea trial on 38 powerplay 2 x 750s
Did not like it.

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[Jon Fuller]

Originally posted by Dunaruna
Oh yeah did a sea trial on 38 powerplay 2 x 750s
Did not like it.

why?