US boat builders ?? - Page 8

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 12:14 AM

More race proven technology....get a dumpster

Jon Fuller · 01-01-2006, 12:16 AM

Is that a sunroof in the side of that Fountain?

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
WTF happened tothat last one?

storm/hurricane damage?

I heard he hit a jetty

Jon Fuller · 01-01-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Comanche3Six
I heard he hit a jetty

Stop it!

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
Is that a sunroof in the side of that Fountain?

That one just delaminated..great build quality!

Jon Fuller · 01-01-2006, 12:30 AM

On a serious note, that reggie advert that 'speed' posted earlier, had a 42 foot boat with twin 575sci's, and claimed a topend of 85mph!

That seems ever so quick, even for a stepped lightly built boat, at least one of 42', and fully fitted out.

My old racing buddy (TD) and I, used to regularly read the American boat mags, like PB, Hotboat, etc, etc, and fairly regulary, they'd test a boat, and show a tested top speed, that when you worked out the rpm, ratio, prop pitch etc, was imposible, often even meaning there had been 'negative' prop slip, let alone, very low, or unbelievable amounts of slip.

So, how does a boat travel faster than it's theoretical propeller speed?

We always reckoned it was down to the manufacturer spending a lot of money with the testing magazine on advertising, and basically telling the mag what to publish as top speed,who'd write what they weretold, to maintain the business relationship. or are we being foolish/niave?

If we were right, you'd think the tester would at least 'massage' all the data numbers so that they added up!

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 12:57 AM

This one hit garf in the nob

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 12:59 AM

Here is a picture of Reggie ready to pin the Congressional Medal Of Honor on himself

Jon Fuller · 01-01-2006, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by Comanche3Six
This one hit garf in the nob

Very good!

I'm not keen on foam core, much prefer end grain Balsa, seems to adhere better. I'm always seeing pics of destroyed boats with massive sheets of foam showing where 'boat' used to be.

I'm even less keen on foam stringers.

You really don't like ole Reggie 'Lycra' Fountain much do you?

He certainly needs a lesson in growing old gracefully!

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 01:41 AM

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You really don't like ole Reggie 'Lycra' Fountain much do you?

I like Reggie

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 01:48 AM

And his brother in law

Speed · 01-01-2006, 05:05 AM

Wow! Posted pictures of destroyed boats that were in accidents that hit wooden pile drivings and trees etc. sure shows that they can't handle waves!

Good thing it doesn't happen to Apaches...Oops! Looks like they roll and delaminate on little poker runs! No wonder they don't race their V's!

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...2&page=4&pp=20

You can chime all you want about Fountains but the the race records shows otherwise with the facts.

"At Fountain we compete for one reason: When We Race, We Win. Racing allows us to test our designs, innovations and lamination schedules in extreme conditions that can't be simulated any other way. Racing keys our nonstop Research & Development program.

Most importantly, racing proves our performance superiority, which helps you separate fact from fantasy while making your buying decision. For Fountain owners, offshore racing pays direct benefits. Unlike our rivals, we use the same hull designs and lamination schedules on our race, pleasure and fishing boats. We take our designs to the limit so you don't have to. Racing allows us to find the ragged edge... and then, with time, we move it. Competition was instrumental in the development of our Super Ventilated Positive Lift, pad keel, notch transom bottom design.

Racing has also helped us fine-tune our lamination schedules and to determine where we need added strength and where to look for weight savings. We've worked closely with companies like Owens Corning to develop state-of-the-art fiberglass lamination schedules that are stronger, faster and lighter than anything on the water. Competition has also helped us advance our technology regarding propeller selection, drive heights, seat construction and even dashboard layout. You can theorize on a computer, but there's no substitute for the lessons learned at 170+ mph offshore."

When Apache domintes the Offshore powerboat curcuit get back with me! Until then keep

because that's all you've got!

Oh, Happy New Year!

Speed · 01-01-2006, 05:10 AM

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And his brother in law

Reggie may not dress the best but at least he isn't in federal prison with a life sentence for drug smuggling and murder like the former Apache/racer/owner Ben Krammer!

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bi...e&no=905055ma2

Speed · 01-01-2006, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by Jon Fuller

You really don't like ole Reggie 'Lycra' Fountain much do you?

He certainly needs a lesson in growing old gracefully!

I say you have to hand it to Reggie, I don't know very many 70 year old's setting speed records in 3000 hp boats!

He also does a hell of a job promoting offshore racing and the sport of powerboating in general which helps everyone.

Speed · 01-01-2006, 05:34 AM

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Here is a picture of Reggie ready to pin the Congressional Medal Of Honor on himself

And here is former Apache co-owner/racer and convicted drug smuggler and murderer in federal prison.

Nothing like that " Apache heritage"! Makes you proud!

Speed · 01-01-2006, 06:58 AM

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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
On a serious note, that reggie advert that 'speed' posted earlier, had a 42 foot boat with twin 575sci's, and claimed a topend of 85mph!

That seems ever so quick, even for a stepped lightly built boat, at least one of 42', and fully fitted out.

My old racing buddy (TD) and I, used to regularly read the American boat mags, like PB, Hotboat, etc, etc, and fairly regulary, they'd test a boat, and show a tested top speed, that when you worked out the rpm, ratio, prop pitch etc, was imposible, often even meaning there had been 'negative' prop slip, let alone, very low, or unbelievable amounts of slip.

So, how does a boat travel faster than it's theoretical propeller speed?

We always reckoned it was down to the manufacturer spending a lot of money with the testing magazine on advertising, and basically telling the mag what to publish as top speed,who'd write what they weretold, to maintain the business relationship. or are we being foolish/niave?

If we were right, you'd think the tester would at least 'massage' all the data numbers so that they added up!

I posted Fountains chart below. If Fountain lied they would be liable for large lawsuits.

The PR 42 with 525's runs 95 plus mph.

http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/bo...s/42PR_vid.MPG

and the 35 with 575's...

http://www.fountainpowerboats.com/bo...LTG_vid300.wmv

Jon Fuller · 01-01-2006, 11:01 AM

That's an interesting chart!

In the smaller models, 27, 29, 35, the speeds with given power is kinda what I would expect, in fact considering it's a modern stepped hull, some of them seem quite conservative.
We ran just shy of 80 (79.37) in our 26' non stepped race boat, with a genuine 450hp (speed measured by official timekeepers at the national speed records week)

So Reggies advertised speeds in his smaller boats are pretty much in line with this (remember ours was a race boat, so no full cabin etc)

But the bigger stuff, where my experience here would leave me to expect lower speeds, seem amazing! if it's all true, they gotta be a very special running surface, or very light, or both.

I do agree, that you can't take anything away from him when it's he himsellf who climbs into a mono and runs 177mph for marketing, thats definitely worth tons of admiration!! 'hats off', and I bet his insurance company wasn't AT ALL happy about it!

Happy new year.

PS.
Bens looking a bit tubby! no wonder that helicopter couldn't lift him out the prison yard!

(Is that Lucy in the pic?)

PPS.
Don't tell him I said that!

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 01:59 PM

Speed

Post a picture of your Fountain

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 02:17 PM

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Wow! Posted pictures of destroyed boats that were in accidents that hit wooden pile drivings and trees etc. sure shows that they can't handle waves!

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Speed
I can post pictures of broken Fountains all day. Post one of a McManus built Apache that broke like this Fountain due to wave damage. And the reason those other boats are in the trees and pilings and on the rocks shows a handleing problem. That is why Mark Mcmanus will not build step hulls, he feels they are dangerous. Remember McManus built, not Saccenti.
This is some severe damage for just rough water.

Comanche3Six · 01-01-2006, 02:32 PM

Don Aronow, The king of Thunderboat Row is the father of the 41 Apache. Murdered by Ben Kramer. One of the main reason's WWIII breaks out when you mention Apache on OSO. I for one despise Ben Kramer for this act. Apache now is in the hands of Mark McManus, a man with a fantastic reputation as a boatbuilder and gentleman.