what is YOUR opinion on this

[Renegade]

The thing is, you have 3A,b, and C for this sort of thing. so is this 3b.5?

[Renegade]

Wasn't this to be 'V' 150 originally?

[motorvator]

To my knowledge there is no formal proposal at the moment Paul. Just discussions.

V150 was coined from what the Scandies have already done. To some extent we already have a V150 in the form of E1500 but for the single marque engine and short course.

Importantly it is not about solving a problem for an individual it needs to be a catch all set up that largely solves everyones problems but will need an element of compromise from all sides.

The thinking has moved on from not just creating a 150 class but also to solving the issue of 3C canopies. If speeds are bought down then there is good argument for uncanopied boats to be able to run. So it would be possible to create a 150 class that encompasses the old 3C boats and gets them running again. What it is called is somewhat irrelevant but the term 3C sport has been mentioned.

3C of course aready has the similar formulas to 3A/B of Min weights / lengths so gives a good basis to work from.

[RHINO]

we were promised a forum to put our thoughts forward,when is this to be? we were told within a month,but still have heard nothing!

[motorvator]

That will be down to the RYA to call I guess Brian.

I think you might be getting confused (understandably) with some of the clubs having called their own meetings and subsequently cancelling.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by motorvator

To my knowledge there is no formal proposal at the moment Paul. Just discussions.

V150 was coined from what the Scandies have already done. To some extent we already have a V150 in the form of E1500 but for the single marque engine and short course.

Importantly it is not about solving a problem for an individual it needs to be a catch all set up that largely solves everyones problems but will need an element of compromise from all sides.

The thinking has moved on from not just creating a 150 class but also to solving the issue of 3C canopies. If speeds are bought down then there is good argument for uncanopied boats to be able to run. So it would be possible to create a 150 class that encompasses the old 3C boats and gets them running again. What it is called is somewhat irrelevant but the term 3C sport has been mentioned.

3C of course aready has the similar formulas to 3A/B of Min weights / lengths so gives a good basis to work from.

ok cool. so in essence its to 3c what 3a is to 3b?

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by Renegade

ok cool. so in essence its to 3c what 3a is to 3b?

Possibly in the future I guess if the class takes off and splits Cats from Monos.

I think the development of the discussions has seen an opportunity of also trying to resolve this canopy stuff once and for all.

Anybody thinking that the UIM will reverse their decision on 3C canopies or that the national bodies and insurers will just ignore it is frankly in cuckoo land.

Then canopy 3C itself will not really take off here as half the venues cannot accomodate them for the minimum 4m depth.

Reduce the horsepower and hence speeds and we will stand a chance of running open cockpit 3C.

That bit is hardly rocket science.

[RHINO]

Originally Posted by motorvator

Then canopy 3C itself will not really take off here as half the venues cannot accomodate them for the minimum 4m depth.

as you were not around when this canopy decision was made,we were told that it was speed related.,so what do you suggest when they say 3b
need canopys as they are now going to fast,because the 3b speed record is as fast as 3c was when rule came in,
we need venues that do not depend on tides,like torquay.plymouth etc

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by RHINO

as you were not around when this canopy decision was made,we were told that it was speed related.,so what do you suggest when they say 3b
need canopys as they are now going to fast,because the 3b speed record is as fast as 3c was when rule came in,
we need venues that do not depend on tides,like torquay.plymouth etc

I was around Brian just in a different area.

If there was a whole fleet of canopy 3C I'd agree with the venues not dependant on tide. But that's not how it's gone is it?

The main point is that by bringing the 150 class together it gives the old class 3 rigs an alternative. Surely that is a good thing?

[RHINO]

Originally Posted by motorvator

The main point is that by bringing the 150 class together it gives the old class 3 rigs an alternative. Surely that is a good thing?

great idea as long as 15in mids and race gearboxes are allowed

[Zander]

Our rules here in Sweden for gearcases is like this (my translation):

You are allowed to use ANY gearcase from the same manufacturer as the engine.
ae, you can use a CLE gearcase on your 150 Optimax.
Works really well.
You are also allowed to change the gear ratio and put on nosecones. But the water has to come through the impeller.

Cristalclear right?

[RHINO]

hiya zander,how about the 15in midsection,as in our waters the 20in mid would not be up to the job

[Captain Chaos]

Originally Posted by RHINO

hiya zander,how about the 15in midsection,as in our waters the 20in mid would not be up to the job

How's that then?

[RHINO]

because they break,just look at the problems the 115s are having

[Captain Chaos]

you're comparing apples and oranges there though

and perhaps the object of the exercise is that everyone has to drive a little less balls out to complete a race or a race season

[RHINO]

Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

perhaps the object of the exercise is that everyone has to drive a little less balls out to complete a race or a race season

that maybe your idea of racing but its not mine,i like the idea of the equipment being up to the job.thats why mercury have a racing dept

[Paul E]

out of the box saddles may not be up to it, but it's a damn sight cheaper and easier to make one strong enough than it is to keep up with tuned motors on 15" legs.

Merc make a 20" offshore mid and saddle that is plenty strong enough

[Captain Chaos]

Originally Posted by RHINO

that maybe your idea of racing but its not mine,i like the idea of the equipment being up to the job.thats why mercury have a racing dept

I never said it was my idea or otherwise.

Mercury racing also make 20" misections

[Zander]

Standard 20" midsections for us yes.
Have been working fine, we can use solid mounts. We DO have some shitty weather as well and some friends of mine have used their engines for a long time and the midsections have not breaked yet.

Paul E, a good friend of mine in Finland have a 115 Rude and his rubbermounts hold up as long as yours. He got solid ones now. You are not alone on that part

[motorvator]

Hang on a minute, what are all these problems the 115's are having?

If you are referring to the one in Torquay that had the saddles snap, that was due to the top bolts pulling through and letting it go at the top.

It was quite a testament to the mid section that it came home winning on just a set of bottom bolts and a trim ram!