Winner Stapley

Tremlett 15 · 11-03-2010, 09:59 AM

Hi guys, can anyone give me a wee bit of back ground/history on Winner Stapley boats, never knew Stapley built them

saw this

http://www.boatsandoutboards.com/view/F211558

ps. no connection to seller. ( admin can remove link if required )

southwesthotcat · 11-03-2010, 05:46 PM

If my memory's correct ...
Chris used to sell bare wooden hulls to Ray.
Ray used to chop them in half lengthways.
Ray then used to cut an inch off either inside edge.
Ray then glued the two halves back together and rig them.
N. ("Doo you wanna buy a gear-box") Holmes used to have one.

Tremlett 15 · 11-03-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by southwesthotcat

If my memory's correct ...
Chris used to sell bare wooden hulls to Ray.
Ray used to chop them in half lengthways.
Ray then used to cut an inch off either inside edge.
Ray then glued the two halves back together and rig them.
N. ("Doo you wanna buy a gear-box") Holmes used to have one.

thanks for reply,

know about Stapley & Stapley/Tremletts, but its Winner Stapley boats that I am looking for info on.

what do you mean about buying a gear-box & Holmes ?

one of the early Stapley/Tremletts

FLYING FISH · 12-03-2010, 10:31 AM

The only racing `Winner` boat I have seen is `Dell Bouy` which was Stapley designed,Winner built.It raced between 1984 and 1986,and in 1985 won the III B World and UK National titles,when driven by Derek Mortimore.

Can`t advise on builders history though.

Also attached is `Miss Chrysler` a stapley/tremlett just to show the difference between the boats.

N.Holmes raced a III C Stapley designed and built,not a Stapley/tremlett cut and shut job.See attached pic to see hull design difference compared to Miss Chrysler for example.

Dell Bouy was up at Basilidon.Maybe Derek Mortimore gave them the history of Winner boats to go on the display.

As an aside,whilst looking through the archives for Dell Bouy,I came across a snippet (1985) that said John Moore Jnr was going to race Class 1 the next year.Yeah right!

Woody · 12-03-2010, 02:19 PM

[QUOTE=FLYING FISH;177887]

N.Holmes raced a III C Stapley designed and built,not a Stapley/tremlett cut and shut job.See attached pic to see hull design difference compared to Miss Chrysler for example.

I heard rumour that Neil started off working for Ray building boats before starting South Godstone Sports Boats, don't know if this is true or not but might explain why he raced Stapley's early on

FLYING FISH · 12-03-2010, 05:28 PM

Quite correct `Woody`.

Stapley had a young apprentice called Neil Holmes,whom he christened `Ethel` (does f""""" all).

See if this link works http://boatmad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4021&page=3

See post 49

boatnut · 13-03-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

The only racing `Winner` boat I have seen is `Dell Bouy` which was Stapley designed,Winner built.It raced between 1984 and 1986,and in 1985 won the III B World and UK National titles,when driven by Derek Mortimore.

Can`t advise on builders history though.

Also attached is `Miss Chrysler` a stapley/tremlett just to show the difference between the boats.

N.Holmes raced a III C Stapley designed and built,not a Stapley/tremlett cut and shut job.See attached pic to see hull design difference compared to Miss Chrysler for example.

Dell Bouy was up at Basilidon.Maybe Derek Mortimore gave them the history of Winner boats to go on the display.

As an aside,whilst looking through the archives for Dell Bouy,I came across a snippet (1985) that said John Moore Jnr was going to race Class 1 the next year.Yeah right!

i see the number 83 boat was advertising south godstone powerboats, i forgot they existed untill last week when i drove by their old site, to look at a car i was interested in, i remember them having half a sports boat ripped through the middle and mounted on their wall above their name, im not sure but i think it was a p20, i wonder what happened to the other half, has any one got any pics of it

parug · 13-03-2010, 03:22 PM

Dell Bouy and South Godstone Sport Boats are not Winner Stapley's ,
they are Stapley Taloncraft.
Brochure made for Derek to race in class 4 with Dell Bouy.
Photo is Dell Bouy .
South Godstone Sports Boats is a20ft Model made for F''''ALL's Dad Denis
for Ski Racing He also had 17ft Model.

FLYING FISH · 13-03-2010, 04:12 PM

As mentioned in previous post,the only winner build I have seen is Dell Bouy.I did state that N.Holmes boat was Stapley designed and built.

See Entry List for 1984 when entered as a III A boat.

parug · 13-03-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

As mentioned in previous post,the only winner build I have seen is Dell Bouy.I did state that N.Holmes boat was Stapley designed and built.

See Entry List for 1984 when entered as a III A boat.

The entry is incorrect Dell Bouy was built by myself and sold by me to Derrick
it's not a (Winner Stapley)

parug · 13-03-2010, 05:08 PM

This is a Winner Stapley made by Winner's 16ft model only

parug · 13-03-2010, 05:22 PM

[QUOTE=Woody;177896]

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

N.Holmes raced a III C Stapley designed and built,not a Stapley/tremlett cut and shut job.See attached pic to see hull design difference compared to Miss Chrysler for example.

I heard rumour that Neil started off working for Ray building boats before starting South Godstone Sports Boats, don't know if this is true or not but might explain why he raced Stapley's early on

Neil worked for Ray, this is his first racing Licence it was to navigate in class 4

FLYING FISH · 13-03-2010, 05:42 PM

I wonder if there were several Dell Bouys? See attachment.

Is this the same boat that raced in 84,85 & 86.

parug · 13-03-2010, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

I wonder if there were several Dell Bouys? See attachment.

Is this the same boat that raced in 84,85 & 86.

NO this is Derrick's Winner Stapley, not the wooden one that was in the
museum

FLYING FISH · 13-03-2010, 06:01 PM

So,just to clarify.

Are we saying Derek Mortimore had a winner stapley for 1984 as per entry list,and you built the stapley taloncraft that raced in 1985/86.

parug · 13-03-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

So,just to clarify.

Are we saying Derek Mortimore had a winner stapley for 1984 as per entry list,and you built the stapley taloncraft that raced in 1985/86.

no i sold wooden boat to Derrick 82-83

Derrick ran class4 one season then went class3

FLYING FISH · 14-03-2010, 09:10 AM

At the risk of boring even further,I have discovered a Brighton 84 report showing that the Dell Bouy winner hull ,winning class 4,and then ripping of the `c` part of the race number and going out to particpate in class 3.

Also,many years ago I wrote to Ray Stapley with my rough listings of his boats,and still have this listings with his comments on them,two of which he has written `Catnic` and `Pheasant Pluckers Son `as winner/stapley,yet I have found no trace of this in the entry lists.

Can you enlighten us on a background to the `winner `build involvement?

Barrie Williams · 14-03-2010, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

At the risk of boring even further,I have discovered a Brighton 84 report showing that the Dell Bouy winner hull ,winning class 4,and then ripping of the `c` part of the race number and going out to particpate in class 3.

Also,many years ago I wrote to Ray Stapley with my rough listings of his boats,and still have this listings with his comments on them,two of which he has written `Catnic` and `Pheasant Pluckers Son `as winner/stapley,yet I have found no trace of this in the entry lists.

Can you enlighten us on a background to the `winner `build involvement?

Fish, Catnic was a 1977/78 season E class powered by an OMC 115 driven by Ray Dickens. Wasn't as fast as the Merc 115's. Around this time there was a morphing of Winner into Driver, when Doug Driver, who had been supervising at Winner's in Penarth went out by himself. Most well known hull was probably the Driver 510.
I remember the 3C Pheasant Pluckers Son, because of the roll call in Margate one year, when the late Reg Turner made the obvious verbal gaff. Mind you, in those days it was popular to give OOD's and commentator's a rough time with boat names, like Bafty Crastard.

parug · 14-03-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Barrie Williams

Fish, Catnic was a 1977/78 season E class powered by an OMC 115 driven by Ray Dickens. Wasn't as fast as the Merc 115's. Around this time there was a morphing of Winner into Driver, when Doug Driver, who had been supervising at Winner's in Penarth went out by himself. Most well known hull was probably the Driver 510.
I remember the 3C Pheasant Pluckers Son, because of the roll call in Margate one year, when the late Reg Turner made the obvious verbal gaff. Mind you, in those days it was popular to give OOD's and commentator's a rough time with boat names, like Bafty Crastard.

Hi Barry it was 3a not 3c
can you still remember swimming at Brixham

Barrie Williams · 14-03-2010, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by parug

Hi Barry it was 3a not 3c
can you still remember swimming at Brixham

I remember it well, you and Neil Holmes came up too fast behind on a tight starboard mark and next thing I knew was flying upside with a Stapley stuck up my arse. Helmet twisted on impact and I thought I'd been blinded, however, with just my ear showing through the visor, Ted Jarret thought my head had come off. It did later in the bar of the Brixham Yacht Club, but that's another story.