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Old 13-11-2012, 04:27 PM   #1
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Key West - a few vids

Skip to 2 mins 10 seconds:-


Man those lamborghini's (races start at around 3 min 30)


Worth a browse!
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPmV...?feature=watch

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Old 13-11-2012, 04:36 PM   #2
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Woah!!!!!! Great shot of the italian team.
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Old 14-11-2012, 01:31 PM   #3
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Key West 2012 new vid

The yanks now how to get the crowds for there powerboat racing events. Listen to the crowds, the kids etc. there loving it.
What are we doing wrong!!!
What do we need to do/have? apart from money!

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Old 14-11-2012, 07:48 PM   #4
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The yanks now how to get the crowds for there powerboat racing events. Listen to the crowds, the kids etc. there loving it.
What are we doing wrong!!!
What do we need to do/have? apart from money!
Remember few years back going to Plymouth to watch the Class 1 boats with support from the Honda series. The sound of lambo engines was amazing.
Amazing venue. The Hoe was packed solid with people watching and the advantage of Plymouth was you could see the whole race course.
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The yanks now how to get the crowds for there powerboat racing events. Listen to the crowds, the kids etc. there loving it.
What are we doing wrong!!!
What do we need to do/have? apart from money!

Hi woottonwillis,
We have been coming to Key West worlds for the last few years it could not be more different than England, the organisers and competitors alike actively encourage spectator presence, there are very few restricted areas, its a real pleasure to walk round the paddock everyone is very friendly. They even build grandstands so you can get the best possible view.
Until the british organisers and competitors do something similar there won't be much of a spectator following.

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Old 15-11-2012, 10:41 AM   #6
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Peter I agree with you wholeheartedly about the spectator thing and the US scene. I was lucky enough to go three times in the 90's and what struck me was how many references were made to 'The Fans'. Even the local motels like Hampton Inn etc had 'Welcome Race fans' on their big billboard outside! It felt good to be recognised and acknowledged, for unless I win the lottery I will forever be just a spectator/photographer and not a participant (boo!).

I think the problem is that there are those who will always hold out for the old school long distance CTC courses where men (and the ladies of course) and machines are put to the test. Then there are those who prefer to see more of the race itself a la Cowes in 2007 or Key West. I have to admit that it was seeing the amazing photographs of the 2007 event which led me to come back to the race, even though that type of course has not been run since. I've loved every second of being there for every race since even though the event was well and truly offshore - for those privileged to get close enough it's still an amazing spectacle.

That 2007 event at Cowes I suspect was watched by a large number of spectators ashore - can anyone confirm that? Just curious. The fact that several members of my own family made the trip to Cowes to watch makes me think that because it was an inshore course, many more people than normal made the effort to attend and watch. Good for potential sponsors!!
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The yanks now how to get the crowds for there powerboat racing events. Listen to the crowds, the kids etc. there loving it.
What are we doing wrong!!!
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The weather may have a lot to do with it, 80F+ and almost garanteed racing because of a reef that keeps the big swells from generating. That said the racing was not that entertaining, we saw three races on Friday of no more than twenty min's each, 10:30, 12:30 and 14:00. Sunday was double the distance but with five to seven boats in each class very few of which were competitive it was not gripping stuff and from the stand most of the spectators were either crew or family of current or past racers. Much more of a draw was the poker run boats, 140 Cicaretts, Outer limits, MYIs, Nor-tecs, Statements etc and the toys they brought with them.
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That 2007 event at Cowes I suspect was watched by a large number of spectators ashore - can anyone confirm that? Just curious. The fact that several members of my own family made the trip to Cowes to watch makes me think that because it was an inshore course, many more people than normal made the effort to attend and watch.
It was very warm and sunny in 2007 for the P1 and Honda Racing at Cowes, plenty of tourists on the Island.

The Event was also helped by the cash input - £265,000 from P1 and Honda money.
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ERROR!

P1 paid £275,000

Honda circa £50,000
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ERROR!

P1 paid £275,000

Honda circa £50,000
I would imagine a lot of the P1 money went into their "Village" and their own promotion and the same result could have been achieved with much less in terms of "putting on a show"?

I was in Key West in 2005 and enjoyed it very much although I have to agree with Martin to a point - having said that we watched the race from beside the hotel pool (thanks to Tony Hamilton) and it was packed there and in Mallory square with the public.
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ERROR!

P1 paid £275,000

Honda circa £50,000
Devil's Advocate here - that's a huge amount of money. I wonder if they would have paid such a sum if the course had been outside of the Solent and non multi-lap?

I wonder if the difference of opinion that often occurs in such discussions about the true offshore courses and those like Key West/Cowes 2007, are based on whether you are a racer or spectator?? Curious!
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Devil's Advocate here - that's a huge amount of money. I wonder if they would have paid such a sum if the course had been outside of the Solent and non multi-lap?

I wonder if the difference of opinion that often occurs in such discussions about the true offshore courses and those like Key West/Cowes 2007, are based on whether you are a racer or spectator?? Curious!
You just need a Sugar Daddy with an huge ego and wallet to match, who is prepared to throw in the money.

For every Bernie Ecclestone, there are at least an hundred that run out of dough.
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Devil's Advocate here - that's a huge amount of money. I wonder if they would have paid such a sum if the course had been outside of the Solent and non multi-lap?
The racing that year was to the established P1 format which was specifically designed for the public so it was only every going to be with that format - It is my belief that with onboard technology such as that seen in the current rally cars as well as helicopter cameras and on screen graphics you could make races such as Cowes Torquay very interesting indeed, you only have to look at the Yellow Brick track to see how many times the positions changed as a result of the different routes everyone took over or around Lyme Bay together with the technical difficulties to see how you could make it interesting.

The only problem is paying for it in the first place!
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The racing that year was to the established P1 format which was specifically designed for the public so it was only every going to be with that format - It is my belief that with onboard technology such as that seen in the current rally cars as well as helicopter cameras and on screen graphics you could make races such as Cowes Torquay very interesting indeed, you only have to look at the Yellow Brick track to see how many times the positions changed as a result of the different routes everyone took over or around Lyme Bay together with the technical difficulties to see how you could make it interesting.

The only problem is paying for it in the first place!
Absolutely! Would be fantastic if the technology advances of this day and age enabled onlookers to almost be onboard. Watching the footage from War Horse online afterwards was like partaking in the race itself. All boils down to the same old thing though unfortunately!
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The racing that year was to the established P1 format which was specifically designed for the public so it was only every going to be with that format - It is my belief that with onboard technology such as that seen in the current rally cars as well as helicopter cameras and on screen graphics you could make races such as Cowes Torquay very interesting indeed, you only have to look at the Yellow Brick track to see how many times the positions changed as a result of the different routes everyone took over or around Lyme Bay together with the technical difficulties to see how you could make it interesting.

The only problem is paying for it in the first place!
Technology is certainly the way forward.

The 2008 Round Britain race used Marinetrack, and for the first time, people sitting in front of their desks could see the raceboats racing from leg to leg.

Since 2009 we have used Yellowbrick for Marathon races, back in '09 it was ideal, now I feel they are too expensive, their web feed needs updating.

Competition will dictate who gets the contract for Cowes Torquay Cowes 2013.
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Technology is certainly the way forward.

The 2008 Round Britain race used Marinetrack, and for the first time, people sitting in front of their desks could see the raceboats racing from leg to leg.

Since 2009 we have used Yellowbrick for Marathon races, back in '09 it was ideal, now I feel they are too expensive, their web feed needs updating.

Competition will dictate who gets the contract for Cowes Torquay Cowes 2013.
The technology is moving very quickly now and some systems allow so much more than Yellowbrick - looking forward to seeing how that works out.
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It was very warm and sunny in 2007 for the P1 and Honda Racing at Cowes, plenty of tourists on the Island.

The Event was also helped by the cash input - £265,000 from P1 and Honda money.
What did they spend that amount of money on in 2007

I remember talking to the chinese resturant owner on the front and I believe it cost him 4 grand for his stall to be in the village.
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[QUOTE=woottonwillis153;228140]The yanks now how to get the crowds for there powerboat racing events. Listen to the crowds, the kids etc. there loving it.
What are we doing wrong!!!
What do we need to do/have? apart from money!

You only have to look at the video for the answers.

Do the RYA get involved over there
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What did they spend that amount of money on in 2007.
I will give you a break down of costs on here next week mate, clearly it would have been another £20 k if you were enjoying their hospitality.
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And back to the vids - oh yeah!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...v=vvPNjiQXo1s#!
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