Boatmad.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 03-02-2010, 07:57 PM   #1
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Seeing Double

I`ll name that boat in one!

I think I`ve fallen victim of a Buzzi wind up when I enquired the boat`s history,only to be told it was for a chinese client who cancelled the order.Yeah right.

In 1998 this 8,200kg ,15 metre craft won the Trieste - Monte Carlo race.Driven by Gianfranco Rossi and called Mase Two Speed ,it averaged over 2,000 miles at 50kts with peak speeds of 80kts.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	BUZZI 1.jpg
Views:	464
Size:	97.0 KB
ID:	23321   Click image for larger version

Name:	BUZZI 2.jpg
Views:	437
Size:	126.4 KB
ID:	23322  
__________________

FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-02-2010, 09:07 PM   #2
numbskull
 
Jon Fuller's Avatar
 
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
Should be called 'The Pheonix'.

Bit slippery if thats the case. Buzzi did tell me the same story about the boat coming from Hong Kong.

Guess we'll never know.
__________________

__________________
.

"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
Jon Fuller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 10:03 AM   #3
Registered User
 
Country: Australia
Location: Brisbane

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 51
Looks remarkably similar!

And wasn't the last "Wettpunkt" the former "Sony", although touted as a "new "boat.

And "Cesa 1882" could be traced all the way back the original "Nitro", couldn't it?
pete60 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 11:39 AM   #4
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Cesa History

That boat goes back to `Rolly Go`in 1986,but in all the diatribe written about Cesa, I can`t say 100% that Nitro, although maybe used as a mould was actually Cesa intially.I find it quite confusing the way the diatribe has been written even though Len Bylock was the owner of Nitro/Cesa.Then again was Nitro hacked about,it`s never been clear cut.Another Buzzi mystery to wind us up.
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 11:51 AM   #5
numbskull
 
Jon Fuller's Avatar
 
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
According to his book, Nitro was too heavy, and the replacement was far lighter. Also, in the pics I've looked at, Nitro appears to have a lot more depth of topsides than R-G/Cesa. I think they're different boats.
__________________
.

"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
Jon Fuller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 01:13 PM   #6
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Cesa/nitro

Yes Jon,that was my thinking.Trouble comes when you start reading Italian translated to English and the meaning sometimes gets lost,and then of course there is `Buzzi speak`which is a dialogue in itself.
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 02:24 PM   #7
numbskull
 
Jon Fuller's Avatar
 
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
Just looking in the gallery at Nitro pics. There definitely seems to be more topsides, certainly above the rubrail, and possible a little below too, but also the steps appear far less pronounced, more like White Iveco's (but poss 2 instead of 1) Very hard to see in the 3 pics I have seen in the gallery.

Graham, do you have any Nitro pics that show off the bottom / steps a little more?

A different bottom would surely mean this was indeed a different boat.
__________________
.

"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
Jon Fuller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 03:00 PM   #8
Registered User
 
olli's Avatar
 
Country: Germany

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 320
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller View Post
According to his book, Nitro was too heavy, and the replacement was far lighter. Also, in the pics I've looked at, Nitro appears to have a lot more depth of topsides than R-G/Cesa. I think they're different boats.
They are different boats. He made a list of all the things that were wrong with Nitro (one of those things was the weight. The story about his own scale always showing just 6 tons is a classic ), eliminated them on his next boat Rolly Go. I think Nitro became a pleasure boat and was used for racing again for Venice - Monte Carlo in '91.
olli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 06:40 PM   #9
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
More Nitro Info

Just to confirm your thinking Jon.Olli`s comments ring true.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	NITRO.jpg
Views:	394
Size:	70.3 KB
ID:	23332   Click image for larger version

Name:	CESA.jpg
Views:	662
Size:	116.1 KB
ID:	23333  
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 06:45 PM   #10
numbskull
 
Jon Fuller's Avatar
 
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
Is that Red FPT pic from the Portsmouth pits on June 20th 08? that was a very wet & miserable day for us.
__________________
.

"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
Jon Fuller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 07:14 PM   #11
Registered User
 
olli's Avatar
 
Country: Germany

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 320
It seems Buzzi experimented a lot to get Nitro up to speed. When you compare that pic out of Risi's book to the pics in FF's gallery you will notice he added a second step later on.

BTW Flying Fish, I have noticed there are some pics of the Venice - Monte Carlo '91 in your magazine gallery. I think some of those shot are out of one issue of 'Mondo Barca'. In that issue also was a pic of 'Nitro' in its new colours if I remember it correctly. Could you please post that one?
olli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 07:39 PM   #12
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Nitro Pic

Just looked through my cuttings for Nitro in 91 race,and no pics of the Nitro 50 entered under the name `Fred Brass`.Wonder what `Fred` means in Italian?

Those Red FPT pics were taken late in the day at Port Solent.I think you pitched up the next day when it was grotty.
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 08:15 PM   #13
Registered User
 
olli's Avatar
 
Country: Germany

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 320
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYING FISH View Post
Just looked through my cuttings for Nitro in 91 race,and no pics of the Nitro 50 entered under the name `Fred Brass`.
That is not the one that I think of. The boat of German business man Fred Brass was a white/brown C&B Nautica Nitro 50, a new model with twin steps and modified deck.
olli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 11:58 AM   #14
Registered User
 
olli's Avatar
 
Country: Germany

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 320
Ex 'Nitro'?:



'Brass' looked similar to the one below. This is C&B's last evolution of the Nitro 50, later continued by OFF COURSE as Adrenaline 50:



and finally a poster of Mase:

olli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 02:05 PM   #15
Registered User
 

Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 196
you can tell when there not telling the truth, if there lips are moving they're telling fibs
biffer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2010, 07:06 PM   #16
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Nitro etc

Bring em on,Olli.
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 05:38 AM   #17
Registered User
 
olli's Avatar
 
Country: Germany

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 320
Mase prior to its racing career

olli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 08:35 AM   #18
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
The original Blue FPT

Is that on trials with the chinese owner??????????
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-02-2010, 07:13 PM   #19
Registered User
 
olli's Avatar
 
Country: Germany

Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 320
The pic is from a ZF ad. I think it shows Buzzi demonstrating the boat's potential to guys from the Guardia di Finanza. I have read an article in a ZF mag at the time that GdF was looking then for a replacement for their FB MIL46/V6001.
__________________

olli is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×