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03-05-2006, 08:21 AM
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There are a few others that are not shown in the History pages, Sure looks like Merlin. Surprised there are no pics of "Bartonia" very successful.
I always thought the naming convention was great Bit like Stapley and "CAT" in there somewhere. "Flying Sorcerer" was sold to north london in about 73-74 Old boy got the feline bug then. The guy was going to turn it to a ski layout. sure that was a 16 footer though.
Nice find would be Mr Unitex........
Did find the Old "Western Credit" ex 69 Round Britain Boat in 1981 was a bit rotten deck had gone and was sitting out Swindon way in a field. Well beyond any saving
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03-05-2006, 08:39 AM
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Some time ago, Bill sent me some very interesting stuff on Sorcerer boats, and hull design in general. Quite a bit on the history too, I'll have a look through it later and see if there's any reference to this boat.
I had the privilege to take a ride in the 31' Phantom Sorcerer owned by Rod Juffs out in Jersey a couple of years back, the ride and pitch stability is truely awsome!
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03-05-2006, 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
the 31' Phantom Sorcerer
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03-05-2006, 08:16 PM
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numbskull
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The 31' Phantom Sorcerer! 
I posted a load of pictures of it in Jersey some time ago, but think it was before the big 'melt down', and i've lost the feckin pictures from that trip 
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04-05-2006, 06:42 PM
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if not jf i got the papers from bill aswell may be able to find something out or some reference but nothing jumps to mind!
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04-05-2006, 07:43 PM
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Boat name: Fugazi II / D2S
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Originally posted by BluFin
There are a few others that are not shown in the History pages, Sure looks like Merlin. Surprised there are no pics of "Bartonia" very successful.
I always thought the naming convention was great Bit like Stapley and "CAT" in there somewhere. "Flying Sorcerer" was sold to north london in about 73-74 Old boy got the feline bug then. The guy was going to turn it to a ski layout. sure that was a 16 footer though.
Nice find would be Mr Unitex........
Did find the Old "Western Credit" ex 69 Round Britain Boat in 1981 was a bit rotten deck had gone and was sitting out Swindon way in a field. Well beyond any saving
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Do you mean this one blufin?
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04-05-2006, 08:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
The 31' Phantom Sorcerer!
I posted a load of pictures of it in Jersey some time ago, but think it was before the big 'melt down', and i've lost the feckin pictures from that trip
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Nothing to do with Phantom?
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04-05-2006, 10:21 PM
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Traveling
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Nah It was white & a 25' I recall
just thought what about those Seejen ( not sure on that spelling)things one was called Dumbo cant remember the others at one point they were the things to have.
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04-05-2006, 10:39 PM
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Everything to do with Phantom, they built it, to a Bill Maloney design (Bill & Steve are old friends)
Nothing like a usual Phantom tho', it's a full on sports 'cruiser'.
Some of the most amazing plug work i've ever seen.
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05-05-2006, 08:06 AM
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05-05-2006, 08:13 AM
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Kinnel! I'd forgotten about that. you're right, that is a fine piece of plug work, probably the work of Leeway Composhites.
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05-05-2006, 10:33 AM
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08-05-2006, 06:53 PM
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Well it stayed in one piece after the tow home on Saturday but needs a fair bit of replacement ply before it sees water again.
I can confirm it is 12'6" and identical in design to the larger "Merlin" (15') shown on the Sorcerer site.
Jon / Glen76 if you have any info in them "papers" .. would love to know if it was built before or after "Merlin" ie: was it scaled up or down ? how many were built ?
can't find any identifing marks so far .. did they have any ?
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08-06-2006, 10:34 PM
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It's come flying back into the brain mush about a month after the event.
The one that raced in 4ltr was called "STREAK", husband and wife team...... Cambell or Campfield possibly
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09-06-2006, 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Foolish
Well it stayed in one piece after the tow home on Saturday but needs a fair bit of replacement ply before it sees water again.
I can confirm it is 12'6" and identical in design to the larger "Merlin" (15') shown on the Sorcerer site.
Jon / Glen76 if you have any info in them "papers" .. would love to know if it was built before or after "Merlin" ie: was it scaled up or down ? how many were built ?
can't find any identifing marks so far .. did they have any ?
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ill dig it out if i can find it. also sk jon to pm you bills number and if you got a spare 5 mins or hours give him a call he will no doubt tell you and send you everything and anything he has on it  and i know his daughter and her hubby (cathy and philip)the current sorcerer builders would love to know about what ur upto!! They are very passionate people about the boats
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09-06-2006, 10:03 AM
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Another one woosh back in the Cells........ "Jersey Cow" Jack Lusted became a Scruteneer after hanging up the Helmet .she was a one off wooden built Sorcerer 17- 18' footer"ish" was a race deck tandum seating.
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A Sorcerer it is then!! (from the '68 Cowes Torquay programme.)
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09-06-2006, 04:55 PM
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Except that it isn't!!! I just read the accompanying text and the boat is described as a 15' Kelvin hull. 1st Production boat home in the Putney Calais race of that year. 100hp Merc. Designed in 67 by W.A.Maloney. This boat (pic I posted) was driven by John Lusted.
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09-06-2006, 07:28 PM
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Very confusing
If a certain Mr Maloney designed "Merlin" in 1967 for class 111 with Sorcerer boats why would he design the same boat for "Kelvin" in the same year ??
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09-06-2006, 07:34 PM
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Quote:
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Very confusing
If a certain Mr Maloney designed "Merlin" in 1967 for class 111 with Sorcerer boats why would he design the same boat for "Kelvin" in the same year ??
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And why would it be named 'Flying Sorcerer'?
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