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12-09-2006, 10:22 PM
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cle or sportsmaster?
Whats the diff and why?
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12-09-2006, 10:41 PM
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one has 3 long pick-ups on the bottom of the nose and should be unpainted.....sportsmaster i think??
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12-09-2006, 11:27 PM
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3 diff types all with low water pickups
early 2 hole CLE's fastest of all cases as are thinner and shorter black in colour
4Hole CLE's slightly longer have blowout ring fitted black in colour
Sportsmaster, 3 water pickup holes longer more difined blow out ring, fatter and unpainted. These are the newest of them all
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13-09-2006, 08:51 AM
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Sportsmaster is better handling than the CLE on a smaller boat due to the increased length of the casing.
Best gear casing for handling on a P20 for sure.
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13-09-2006, 09:02 AM
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Also depends on how much trim you run - if you run fairly neutral a sportsmaster generally works really well. If lots of trim in or out maybe more efficient to go for the shorter cle box.
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13-09-2006, 11:02 AM
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Re: cle or sportsmaster?
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Originally posted by Taz
Whats the diff and why?
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I had a CLE was GREAT ON MY P20
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13-09-2006, 11:28 AM
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Re: Re: cle or sportsmaster?
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Originally posted by Silversurfer
I had a CLE was GREAT ON MY P20
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Is that the one I bought from you? I still haven't got round to fitting it yet.
Just as well the warrenty doesn't start until I fit it.
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13-09-2006, 11:42 AM
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Re: Re: Re: cle or sportsmaster?
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Originally posted by mike k
Is that the one I bought from you? I still haven't got round to fitting it yet.
Just as well the warranty doesn't start until I fit it.
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Yes it is, Boats for sale again now I see as well! Warranty!?? I got told every time i brought something thats used for racing the warranty expired as soon as it left the premises!!
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13-09-2006, 11:57 AM
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Thank god I'm using it for pleasure. You had me worried for a minute.
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13-09-2006, 11:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by mike k
Thank god I'm using it for pleasure. You had me worried for a minute.
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LOL Taz was asking me if i still had it for sale
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13-09-2006, 08:43 PM
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Boat name: Wayne Kerr
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Quote:
Originally posted by mike k
Thank god I'm using it for pleasure. You had me worried for a minute.
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Stick by your guns mate on the warranty, you'll be racing me for pleasure soon enuf
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13-09-2006, 08:57 PM
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You jetted your carbs then?
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13-09-2006, 10:38 PM
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i have a 2 hole cle which is great for jacking it up may not last.i was lead to believe that the sportsmaster only starts to work at above 85+,other wise, your better of with less drag and a standard case. mercury are telling you to run with a standardcase with low water pickups ie fleet master up to 80+is what they think.if youcan,t finace a new case the cle (4 hole)is the one or so i think. the cone is shorter and less in the water. can you fit the 4hole cle gears to the 2hole box??
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13-09-2006, 11:21 PM
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Re: cle or sportsmaster?
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Originally posted by Taz
Whats the diff and why?
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Neither one's a diff - they're both gearboxes
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14-09-2006, 12:22 AM
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There's very little to chose between a 2 hole and a 4 hole CLE. There is no difference in length between them. The 2 hole has a thinner skeg and half the water pickups which is why its faster. The 4 hole however has a stronger (thicker) skeg and aswell as the 2 extra water pickups has bigger water water passages. This doesn't really give it better cooling (the 2 hole delivers plenty of cooling water) it just makes it less susceptable to getting clogged up which was a bit of an issue with the 2 hole in areas with alot of greenery in the water. The 4 hole also has a blow out ring.
The Sportsmaster is longer than the CLE so gives superior handling but more drag and so is slower. However because of the extra length is can go faster without blowing out (it to has a blow out ring, just like the 4 hole CLE's). So all though its slower its also faster if you have alot of power. The Sportsmaster has 2 bearings on the input shaft the CLE has 1.
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14-09-2006, 10:06 AM
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally posted by mike k
You jetted your carbs then?
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So as not to highjack this thread, you have a PM.
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05-08-2018, 02:15 PM
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I'm after either a sportsmaster or cle for an xr2. Does anyone know where I can get one?
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