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01-02-2007, 05:19 PM
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Flo coat Gav? ;)
Hey
Today i did my boat with a layer of fibreglass resin colored in white. But it seems that it needs at least 2 or 3 layers . I thought you guys did it too with colored resin but it seems that people on this board(Gav) use gel coat?
What does flo coat contain? I know i will have to sand everything up again but now i want it to have good from the first time. I have a little bit of colored resin in gray for the splatters. Can i still use this if i'm going with the flo coat? How much kg would i need? It is for a fletcher 17Ft6 from the nose until transom? Which brush do i need?
Thx for your help
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01-02-2007, 06:32 PM
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i could be wrong but flo coat is just gel coat with a wax added so it drys properly.
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01-02-2007, 07:46 PM
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I know it"s a gelcoat but dont know or there are additives in it.
Is it true that you only need one layer?
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01-02-2007, 08:03 PM
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as far as i know you buy it ready mixed and you just add the hardener,do a search on google for a company in england called cfs,they sell it and have a good web site where you can get all the info you need,failling that gav or tony on this forum will point you in the right direction
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01-02-2007, 09:52 PM
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It has wax gel coat resin and a little bit of magic! You have to get it right otherwise it all goes tits up! Especially hard if your going to put flec's in!
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01-02-2007, 10:46 PM
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Right ..........
Flocoat is..........60% gelcoat, 36% resin, 4% styrene wax solution(+catalyst of course).
Resin alone will be too brittle, gelcoat alone will be too thick and show brushmarks etc.
apply with a laminating brush, while main base coat is still wet( keep catalyst content to a minimum ie 1%) flick your second and third colours into it.....its that simple. i use a harris broom head or just use your hand wit a glove on.
One layer is the only way to go, applying a second will end up a dissaster !
i'll explain further if needed, right now i need my bed!
Good luck
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02-02-2007, 09:15 AM
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Send you a mail Gav. thx for your information. I've done one coat of resin only bit indeed it is too brite. I think if i go with resin i need 2 coats more and dont want it to sand two times again.
So i'm going to sand the resin and than apply that flo coat if i can find it here in Belgium How much kg do I need? I'll make a picture this evening but it looks terrible with that white resin. It also dont chines
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02-02-2007, 09:30 AM
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Okey I called to a fibreglass shop today and they never heard about flo coat.
Than i told him the substances 60%gelcoat, 36% resin etc and they told me that it is called topcoat.
So is flocoat=topcoat? or not?
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02-02-2007, 10:12 AM
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So is flocoat=topcoat? or not?
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Yes, it's the same!
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02-02-2007, 10:42 AM
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Thx Tony
Here in Belgium we only speak about topcoat. Flo coat never heard of it. Well okay than i know which product that i have to order I'll keep ya folks updated
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03-02-2007, 03:52 PM
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This is not the way to do it
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03-02-2007, 07:38 PM
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whoops,happy sanding!
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03-02-2007, 11:00 PM
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whoops,happy sanding!
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It sucks that i have to sand it all down again but that is the way that boats are. They ask so much time. But the advantage is that the underground? is +- white so i'll have to use less flocoat
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04-02-2007, 01:16 PM
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Bigboy, why do you have to sand it down?
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04-02-2007, 01:25 PM
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Bigboy, why do you have to sand it down?
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it depends on what type of resin he's used, some resins like scott bader resin has a high wax content(low styrene emission) so would need sanding to key the surface ready for flocoat.
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04-02-2007, 05:10 PM
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Yeh, I used the low styrene emission resin for my cabin but I've found a good wiping with thinners clears the wax from the surface. I've also just made sure I agitated the new flocoat thoroughly with the brush as I applied it and the wax re-dissolves into the styrene of the new resin.
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04-02-2007, 05:28 PM
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How does that compare to epoxy + 2 part paints ?
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04-02-2007, 08:00 PM
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Quote:
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it depends on what type of resin he's used, some resins like scott bader resin has a high wax content(low styrene emission) so would need sanding to key the surface ready for flocoat.
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Have you got more info about this Gav? How little is low? Can you see it on how much it shines? It is not that shiney.
I think i always do better by sanding it all down.
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04-02-2007, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bigboy
Have you got more info about this Gav? How little is low? Can you see it on how much it shines? It is not that shiney.
I think i always do better by sanding it all down.
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the less shiney the more waxey the surface will be, sand it down then flocoat it.
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04-02-2007, 08:24 PM
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Indeed thats what i'm planning to do. Gav are you coming to help me too?
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