P16 engine

scooby_hugh · 23-05-2009, 10:00 PM

Hi all im new here from guernsey and i have a p-16 (i think) i originally thought it was 17ft but i dont think phantom make a tandem deck in 17ft. I dont know much about it, i have been told its kevlar by the previous owner and the top deck does definetly seem to be but not sure about the rest are there any checks i could do?

it has a ballast tank up front, transom jack, 60ltr stainless tank, hydraulic steering, foot throttle and a knackered yam 85 on a 55 sadle.

The boat is purely for leasure use getting between the islands round here in nice-ish summer weather, i am re engining it with a yam 115 v4 its 40kg heavier than the previous engine does anyone see any problems with this? i could move the fuel tank further foreward for better balance and so the back dosent sink when stopped. the beauty of the 115 is that it can be made to 140 as its the same basic engine but that may be too much...

I am trying to get a photo but its on my old computer and il try and post it up sometime.

So to sum up what are the ideas on a 115 and how can i tell if its kevlar?
the boats name is Flat Out and i hav no history, my mate recently had a p-16 called blade runner which ran a tuned 90 with cable steering which was very fast but he sold it to a guy in germany,

thanks guys i would appreciate any help as i have so far not turned up much helpful advice from people,

grandmas denture · 23-05-2009, 10:42 PM

... blade runner meanwhile has a xr2 hp200 at the back, so dont be afraid about your 115

scooby_hugh · 24-05-2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by grandmas denture

... blade runner meanwhile has a xr2 hp200 at the back, so dont be afraid about your 115

oh really? surely a 200 would sink the boat?!? so how well would you expect it to go (speed wise) with a 140 and the right prop?
cheers

andy21 · 24-05-2009, 05:56 PM

I was looking at flat out the other day in sunsports' yard... would make a nice race boat for the races this summer!

Are you going to be racing her?

Andy

scooby_hugh · 24-05-2009, 06:50 PM

Yeah shes a solid boat, just needs abit of work no i wont race her, i would but i dont have the money or experience or knowledge of where i would start, i assume i would need to qualify? As some in sark wanted to race but couldent as they needed to qualify in england they wanted to race in the f200 class,
Thank you for the compliments mate i may look into racing..

scooby_hugh · 24-05-2009, 06:53 PM

Oh and i think iv seen your boat adrenalin! It looks great and must go well iv seen it in the marina next to crown pier,
Cheers. Hugh

larby · 24-05-2009, 08:40 PM

Hi Hugh,

You don't need to qualify for the basic races and you can enter anything! The vast majority of us who are racing this year have no previous race experience, me included, so we're all in the same boat there. (no pun intended!)
Fees are £200 for the whole race weekend, including insurance and race membership into the GPA. The only work your boat would need is a cut out switch for you and the passenger, and a manual bilge pump, both of which I am more than happy to help you with.
It'd be great to have you there, and the more people we have the cheaper it is. The £200 is based on 10 people racing, if we can make 20 racers, it'll be just £100!
We're having a meeting for all people interested in racing this coming thursday, 7pm - 9pm at the Grande Mare Hotel. Why don't you come along, have a chat with us and see what it's all about, I think you'd really enjoy yourself!

James

scooby_hugh · 25-05-2009, 12:54 AM

Oh, well if thats the case i might come down, what boats will there be entering into this class? As im planning to put a 115 on rather than a 90..

larby · 25-05-2009, 08:13 AM

At the moment we haven't decided the final details for the classes, It'll all depend on who races. The smallest boat I'm aware of entering is 14ft with a 90 on the back, so you're not the smallest! You'll probably find you'll be running with most of the phantoms/rings quite happily as you'll be able to take the corners much tighter than them, it's not all about straight line speed!

James

andy21 · 26-05-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by scooby_hugh

Oh and i think iv seen your boat adrenalin! It looks great and must go well iv seen it in the marina next to crown pier,
Cheers. Hugh

Cheers mate! Yeah she goes nicely, mid 60s (need to hit 70 soon!) My first boat so still getting used to driving it, but starting to get fairly confident... so much fun!

You should definately come to the meeting on thursday, your boat would be perfect for racing!

Have you had it in the water yet? Any other boats like this or is it your first?

Andy

scooby_hugh · 26-05-2009, 06:25 PM

Yeah iv had her in the water a few times, nothing good as the engine was knackered. And yeah iv had a few boats before, im from sark im only 17 but im 18 in a month how old do you need to b to race?
Thanks, hugh

Renegade · 26-05-2009, 08:08 PM

An honest opinion is that the boat will run and handle better with a 90. stability is the key, i would even stick my neck out and say faster with a 90.
A few people tried running a 130 yam on a 16 in ocr and they could not touch the longer boats, faster acceleration maybe in a straight line but top end it chine walked like a b*****d, and this was in the flat.
I raced a 16 with a 90 and have to say i dont think there is a better boat, power to weight. 90 etec would make a nice rig for the future.

I think an 18 would suit your engine better. again this is only my opinion but also talking from experience.

Paul

scooby_hugh · 27-05-2009, 01:05 AM

I see where your coming from mate but iv now bought the engine so il see, if it dosent perform then il sell up and go for a 90, i may put the 130 carbs and exhaust on and skim the heads to up compression so it should be about 130 and i will try and get a cleaver from somewhere not sure wat pitch yet but il see... Thanks for your opinion its very welcome.

larby · 27-05-2009, 08:28 AM

I wouldn't put a cleaver on her, the stern lift will prob make her very unstable. going by the bigger phantoms, I'd go with a chopper, though for all round you're probably best with something similar to a laser. Have a look at what the OCR boys are running in the galleries.
Oh, and you're plenty old enough to race!

James

scooby_hugh · 27-05-2009, 09:33 AM

i thought the cleaver just didnt give as much bow lift i didnt know it lifted the sterns so il go with a laser or chopper, thanks pal. i have a laser 2 knocking around off a yam 150 v6 would this go on a 115 or would it be too big its 19p i probably need more pitch yes?
thanks

larby · 27-05-2009, 08:13 PM

I'd imagine you'd want to start with a 21, not sure if the splines etc are the same? Try the 19 and see how it goes before you spend wonga on a 21.

James

scooby_hugh · 28-05-2009, 01:48 AM

I think they are because a 150 prop fit the 85 so it should work, would the dia. Be a bit much being a prop for a 150 - 200 hp engine and being fitted to a 115?
Thanks