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23-10-2005, 10:36 AM
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Power lift junk
Anyone ever snapped a power lift bracket? I fort they were spose to be strong enougth to race!
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23-10-2005, 10:54 AM
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Power lifts have been responsible for farsans of retirements in offshore racing, and is one of the many reasons I don't like em.
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23-10-2005, 11:15 AM
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Which part ya broke? I bent my bobs machine shop manual one but my powerlift has held up o'k so far!
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23-10-2005, 11:46 AM
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I think the main problem with them is not securing the engine correctly when towing the boat and when you hit a bumpy patch on the road the shock loading of the bouncing engine is what damages it.
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23-10-2005, 12:16 PM
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Re: Power lift junk
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Originally posted by Taz
Anyone ever snapped a power lift bracket? I fort they were spose to be strong enougth to race!
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What make is it? We have broken a few, but the Stainless Marine Gorilla 1 is the best for us.
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23-10-2005, 03:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by MrRob
I think the main problem with them is not securing the engine correctly when towing the boat and when you hit a bumpy patch on the road the shock loading of the bouncing engine is what damages it.
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you're avin a laugh
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23-10-2005, 04:01 PM
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On my power lift there is a good bit of play between the two sides and with the engine tilted up it will bounce back and forth on the power lift.
So unless you strap your engine down right the engine half of the bracket will be slamming back and forth with the weight of the engine on it.
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23-10-2005, 04:39 PM
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Have you ever considered how much 'slamming back & forth' it does at 70, with 225 horses kicking it up the arse every time you leave & re-enter the water? or how hard it lands compared to rolling along on the trailer with suspension?
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23-10-2005, 05:20 PM
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When you are in the water you have the engine pushing against it constantly which allows very little back and forth movement. When the engine is tilted down then the force is a lot less because of the position of the engine.
When you are towing with the engine up the force of the movement is greater because of the height and angle of the engine. The greater the distance between the gearbox and the power lift the greater the leverage when it bounces around while towing.
If you are contantly flying in about out of the water then you should have a bungee on your engine to reduce the amount of slamming.
When I am towing my boat I always tightly strap my engine down by hooking the straps to the trailer and then around the back of the gear box. Do this tightly enough and it will eliminate the engine bouncing around while towing and protecting your powerlift/transom from any UNDUE damage.
Any damage you do will flying around @70mph+ in the water is all fair a square but you dont want it falling off from damage that could of been avoided.
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23-10-2005, 05:30 PM
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well i have a lot of experience with this subject so i shall start with
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23-10-2005, 05:42 PM
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You're missing the point, and clearly have no perception whatsoever of the forces involved running offshore vs trailering, but hey, I'll bow to your vast knowledge & experience.
PS. my boat needs a re-wire, td showed me a pic of your handy work, well impressed! any chance you've got 20 mins spare?
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23-10-2005, 05:47 PM
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I agree with MrRob entirely thats why I have the an offshore mid, 3mm S/S transom plate and the S/S version of CMC's powerlift all for towing!!! I go the long way to the sea front too inorder to avoid the speed bumps. May get some transom tie bars soon as there are a few pot holes round my way!!!
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23-10-2005, 05:50 PM
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I'm scared now, that when they tow my boat from it's storage space to the craning area (approx 50 feet) It may destroy the boat!
Should I have them move it on a hovercraft?
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23-10-2005, 05:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
I'm scared now, that when they tow my boat from it's storage space to the crane (approx 50 feet) It may destroy the boat!
Should I have them move it on a hovercraft?
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Nah its safer to just leave it in the water
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23-10-2005, 05:58 PM
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ok
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23-10-2005, 06:01 PM
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Yeah then you can put anti-foul on the bottom like you've allways wanted to do!!!
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23-10-2005, 06:08 PM
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if you do continue to trailer it to and from the crane i think you should consider strapping the boat to the trailer as when hitting pot holes etc the boat may jump up and down on the supports and this could damage the hull o Yeah and make sure you strap your outdrives down too
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23-10-2005, 06:13 PM
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Oh dear poor mr Rob you dun half get sum stick but i must admit you talk sum crap! There shouldnt be any play in any part of the engine especially the lift bracket!.
For all to know i have snapped the lift bracket across the top above the big nylon nuts ill get sum pics up soon. I hit sum rougth outside maplin sands, Proper swell didnt notice till i took her out the water im pretty lucky i got back! Im now going to ditch the bracket and mount direct to transom, Id rather have the stability and reailbilty rather then the extra speed.
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23-10-2005, 06:14 PM
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Oh p s anyone wanna buy a cheap hydralic power lift bracket?
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23-10-2005, 06:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Taz
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I hit sum rougth outside maplin sands,
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Was that on the A27?...dreadfull bit of road that.
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