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26-09-2010, 05:25 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Interests: racing!
Boat name: The boat with no name
Boat make: P20
Engines: Promax 225
Cruising area: Mainly the sea -sometimes the air
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 210
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Ring driving tips?
Hi All,
I've just got myself a Ring 21 and she should be ready to get out this week - she's an 86 ring called "Adrenalin" - the one with a sundeck (gone to be replaced with something lighter) and gill bracket - and she'll have a 200 HO on the back. Fingers crossed I'll have everything sorted on her in time for the last two races of the GPA Basic Race Series.
I've had a phantom 20 since last year and having done a few races in her I felt like I was starting to get a feel for driving her fast / taking corners reasonably quickly.
I was wondering whether anyone out there has any tips on getting the best out of these hulls/ info on cornering/ anything that might be useful to me - I haven't got much time to test her before the next race so any info which might be useful to bear in mind would be very much appreciated!
Chatting to guys over here I've heard that when you trim them out there's a stage that they'll chine but if you keep trimming out you can get through this? Sounds interesting!
Also that they corner very differently to phantom's - carving more than sliding.
I've also heard that they can be in need of some ballast up front in the rough- I have a bow tank from my old boat but doubt I'll get it fitted this year so was planning on playing with some sandbags.
I do realise that none of this is any substitute for time at the wheel but thought I'd ask anyway!
Hopefully this won't deteriorate into the inevitable phantom vs. ring argument!
Cheers All!
John
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26-09-2010, 05:41 PM
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Registered User
Location: Guernsey
Interests: Powerboats and Rugby
Boat name: C96 Fast Air
Boat make: Ocke Mannerfelt B-23
Engines: Mercury 200XS
Cruising area: Channel Islands
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 532
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Just keep it pinned jonny boy
When they chine you trim it in not out mate
Dan and foxy are racing identical hulls to yours, have a chat with them
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26-09-2010, 05:59 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Interests: racing!
Boat name: The boat with no name
Boat make: P20
Engines: Promax 225
Cruising area: Mainly the sea -sometimes the air
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 210
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Cheers Jacques!!
I'm generally alright with the pinning it bit!
Tony was saying that if you trim rings out through the initial chining bit and they flatten out again? Given that it sounds a bit crazy it's not something I'll test out till after the race anyway!
My plan is just to get out testing and find a good stable trim setting for the race and apart from trimming it in on the corners to leave it at that.
I was really happy with how the phantom felt so am a bit nervous of how different she's going to be! Back to basics unfortunately!
BTW I've sold Nosferatu mate- the guy next door to me is taking her on as a project- him and his dad are pretty handy at fibreglassing and are planning on getting her ready for next season - the nice thing is I still get to see her every day!!
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26-09-2010, 06:18 PM
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Martyn W
Country: uk
Location: Guernsey Channel island
Occupation: wholesale food sales
Interests: Burning fuel!!!
Boat name: The Magician, A Fine Pair
Boat make: ring20b, chriscraft stinger 26
Engines: merc XR2, 2X AQ311B 5.7's
Cruising area: channel islands
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey Channel island
Posts: 284
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was chatting to ur next door neighbour about it the other day, he sounds like he should be able to get it up an running again.
what are the seats in nosferatu, where did you get them and at what sort of cost?
good luck in your new ring iv got a few props that might be good 4 u 2 try on the 21. gimme a shout if u wanna come grab a few to play with
took mine out today, iv moved the fuel tank forward right behind the front seats an jacked the motor all the way up jumpes straight onto the plane and runs really nice an level with no sand in the bow got this week 2 test, then off to amsterdam 4 a week, come back the day before the race. lol
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26-09-2010, 06:32 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Interests: racing!
Boat name: The boat with no name
Boat make: P20
Engines: Promax 225
Cruising area: Mainly the sea -sometimes the air
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 210
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Hi Martin - great news mate! I haven't even seen where Sparky's put the motor yet but with the gill bracket hopefully I should be able to jack it up with no issues and triple bolt it too!!
The seats were from here - they're autostyle seats - not sure of the exact model but this looks very similar
http://www.motorspeed.com/store_main...roduct_id=3610
To be honest mate the seats aren't great - but they were the cheapest I could find - £210 delivered for the pair - the foam in the nether regions of Matt's seat pushed through in our first race and we had to retire as he ended up getting very friendly with the metal subframe! i think he secretly liked it but anyway!
You've probably seen them/ ripped it out of me about them! - but I've got garden patio seats cushions in there now too and they are super comfy although they do look a bit silly. That said - I would absolutely get another pair and do the same if I needed new seats. The important thing for me was getting high backs after Kevin took a wave in the face last year.
Hope the testing goes well - I think we'll be out either wednesday or thursday for a first go!
Cheers mate
John
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26-09-2010, 10:14 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey Channel Isles
Location: West Coast
Occupation: Hotelier
Interests: Powerboat racing
Boat name: Vodkatini,Cap Camarat,Easy RiderSuper Rider & Hirrondelle
Boat make: Phantom 21,Jeaneau 925 Avenger19.Lorne Campbell Slipstream Tremlett 21.Tigershark 21
Engines: Volvo 5 litre,Merc 115 Tower,Twin 250 Suzukis and 145 Mercruiser LX
Cruising area: Channel Islands and French coast
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Location: West Coast
Posts: 612
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Drive it like you stole it !
You could speak to Andy B at Sound and Vision about driving it he originally raced it with a 2.4 litre Merc
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27-09-2010, 08:55 AM
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topgun
Country: Guernsey
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Civil Servant/ Senior driving examiner
Interests: Boats/bikes/Black label
Boat name: Flash Back/Avenger/Anchor Management
Boat make: Sunseeker San Remo/mini cougar/Cougar cat 25/Avenger 21
Engines: San Remo 2x Volvo 5.7 v8/mini cougar Yamaha 25/Cougar 2x twin spark Yam V6/Avenger has volvo 300v8
Cruising area: C.I.Waters
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Dutch
Drive it like you stole it !
You could speak to Andy B at Sound and Vision about driving it he originally raced it with a 2.4 litre Merc
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Still got Herm race footage of Sony that I have put onto DVD, let me know if you want a copy Jon.
Always ran with a Laser, until he spun the bush so I beat him in Herm.
Come to think of it that was the only time I did, it was quick with the 2.4
Hope all goes well
Steve
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27-09-2010, 09:35 AM
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Registered User
Location: Guernsey
Boat name: Monkey Nutz
Boat make: Cougar R8 Sport
Engines: Verado 350 Sci
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Location: Guernsey
Posts: 177
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topgun
Still got Herm race footage of Sony that I have put onto DVD, let me know if you want a copy Jon.
Always ran with a Laser, until he spun the bush so I beat him in Herm.
Come to think of it that was the only time I did, it was quick with the 2.4
Hope all goes well
Steve
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I would like to see that dvd..
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27-09-2010, 09:52 AM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
Location: In a box
Occupation: Chaos's gofer
Interests: Skiving
Boat make: Spectre 30
Engines: 2 x Promax 225
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Quote:
Originally Posted by John.Richardson
I was wondering whether anyone out there has any tips on getting the best out of these hulls/
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I'm told that "If in doubt, trim out" works pretty well!
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27-09-2010, 10:11 AM
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topgun
Country: Guernsey
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Civil Servant/ Senior driving examiner
Interests: Boats/bikes/Black label
Boat name: Flash Back/Avenger/Anchor Management
Boat make: Sunseeker San Remo/mini cougar/Cougar cat 25/Avenger 21
Engines: San Remo 2x Volvo 5.7 v8/mini cougar Yamaha 25/Cougar 2x twin spark Yam V6/Avenger has volvo 300v8
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Location: Guernsey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Davis
I'm told that "If in doubt, trim out" works pretty well!
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Yep second that Tony ,
If the boat is running steady and all seems in control (You aint trying hard enough)
Steve
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27-09-2010, 10:16 AM
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topgun
Country: Guernsey
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Civil Servant/ Senior driving examiner
Interests: Boats/bikes/Black label
Boat name: Flash Back/Avenger/Anchor Management
Boat make: Sunseeker San Remo/mini cougar/Cougar cat 25/Avenger 21
Engines: San Remo 2x Volvo 5.7 v8/mini cougar Yamaha 25/Cougar 2x twin spark Yam V6/Avenger has volvo 300v8
Cruising area: C.I.Waters
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Location: Guernsey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyF
I would like to see that dvd..
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Hi Tony,
You are welcome to borrow/copy it, I even have footage of Flash beating Martin from Jersey in his P25 with 2x 2.4efi, come to think of it he never came back after that!
I have loads of 80's local races on video as well.
Give me a ring 07781 448652 and you can pick them up
All the best
Steve
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27-09-2010, 10:39 AM
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Steve/Tony,
If there's any copying going on, please could I have a copy of whatever there is!!?
Cheers, James
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26-10-2010, 08:27 AM
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Registered User
Country: Britain
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Property Developer, Self Employed
Interests: Speed + Noise = Happy Face
Boat name: Here On Business, Merciless, H2o
Boat make: Phantom 21, Ring 21 Bernico F2
Engines: Mercury 225 Optimax, Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Baliwick Waters
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topgun
Hi Tony,
You are welcome to borrow/copy it, I even have footage of Flash beating Martin from Jersey in his P25 with 2x 2.4efi, come to think of it he never came back after that!
I have loads of 80's local races on video as well.
Give me a ring 07781 448652 and you can pick them up
All the best
Steve
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Hi Steve,
Just wondering if you have any footage of my dad racing either Soaring Peace or Friendship as the only thing I have is a few photos of when he use to race. I did try and find one of his old boats to fix up and put back to how he had it but I had no luck, plus im guessing by now they will be in a bit of a mess.
Cheers
Jack Falla
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26-10-2010, 01:44 PM
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topgun
Country: Guernsey
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Civil Servant/ Senior driving examiner
Interests: Boats/bikes/Black label
Boat name: Flash Back/Avenger/Anchor Management
Boat make: Sunseeker San Remo/mini cougar/Cougar cat 25/Avenger 21
Engines: San Remo 2x Volvo 5.7 v8/mini cougar Yamaha 25/Cougar 2x twin spark Yam V6/Avenger has volvo 300v8
Cruising area: C.I.Waters
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 500
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackwgf
Hi Steve,
Just wondering if you have any footage of my dad racing either Soaring Peace or Friendship as the only thing I have is a few photos of when he use to race. I did try and find one of his old boats to fix up and put back to how he had it but I had no luck, plus im guessing by now they will be in a bit of a mess.
Cheers
Jack Falla
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Hi Jack,
I will hunt through my video collection, must be something in there but film/picture quality was not the best then.
Steve
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26-10-2010, 04:03 PM
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Registered User
Country: Britain
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Property Developer, Self Employed
Interests: Speed + Noise = Happy Face
Boat name: Here On Business, Merciless, H2o
Boat make: Phantom 21, Ring 21 Bernico F2
Engines: Mercury 225 Optimax, Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Baliwick Waters
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 56
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Thanks Steve, really appreciate it. Would be nice to see something from then.
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